AMSOIL EAO17 09/10/24…….its a leaker :-(

[ZeeOSix]

Is Champ Labs making these (and FE and RP) or Chimp Labs at the old ruffles factory?

 

[Glenda W.]

Is Champ Labs making these (and FE and RP) or Chimp Labs at the old ruffles factory?

 

[RDY4WAR]

This makes me want to do a remote mount oil filter on the rest of my vehicles and switch to a large PH8A size filter.

 

[OVERKILL]

Here I was thinking the amsoil can filters would be ok vs their cartridge brethren. I was going to keep buying them even given their ratings and (perceived) quality. WRONG!

I’ve already reached out to the regular guy csr from amsoil. They’re nice and offer to replace or refund, but what I really want is a high quality American made filter!

You are liable to get high quality from Fleetguard or Donaldson (if they make one that fits your application), however it may be made in Mexico.

 

[gasman556]

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the filter factory employee of the month apparently

 

[Fair enough]

Those are the best ruffles so far, very even in the central area, and many.

 

[ZeeOSix]

the filter factory employee of the month apparently

Reaction after getting reassigned to operate the leaf spring stamping machine.

 

[Glenda W.]

Reaction after getting reassigned to operate the leaf spring stamping machine.

Former OG Ultra assembler.

 

[Mewbs]

At this point, for Champ Labs made bypass seal areas, it's just the norm now. Not what one should expect to find in any oil filter but even more so on a premium filter. Fwiw, when I c&p a new Fram FE7317 it was to confirm what WhipCityWrencher found with a flashlight test. Been so many leakers seen since, seems like a long time ago now.

Thanks for c&p.

What we're seeing is BOM cost reduction to the extreme, even a filtration engineer would understand and warn their managers loose geometric surface tolerance from high volume stamping would make a non perfect contact seal.

Its just a fiber ring they need to add to it. Which would probably cost a whole lot less than re-tooling a bottom end cap stamping redesign.

Even Baldwin does this to their HD filters with their bypass valve assembly which their bottom endcap is also a 2 piece assembly except its supported by a coil spring than a leaf stamping.

This makes me want to do a remote mount oil filter on the rest of my vehicles and switch to a large PH8A size filter.

I've thought of this, but I wouldn't even consider the PH8 size filters, something big as a Donaldson P502503 6.7L Powerstroke size oil filter with synteq media at beta 75 15 microns would make a sick setup if I had the room to mess around under the hood.

 

[ZeeOSix]

What we're seeing is BOM cost reduction to the extreme, even a filtration engineer would understand and warn their managers loose geometric surface tolerance from high volume stamping would make a non perfect contact seal.

The only everyday spin-on filter that used a gasket on the leaf spring was the OG Ultra and Titanium. Filters with fiber end caps will naturally provide a better seal on the leaf spring. Other filters being made (during the time of the OG Ultra and Titanium) with a leaf spring were just a metal-on-metal seal. But back then the leaf springs were stamped smooth and flat, not all ruffled and warped like they are today.

 

[Glenda W.]

The only everyday spin-on filter that used a gasket on the leaf spring was the OG Ultra and Titanium. Filters with fiber end caps will naturally provide a better seal on the leaf spring. Other filters being made (during the time of the OG Ultra and Titanium) with a leaf spring were just a metal-on-metal seal. But back then the leaf springs were stamped smooth and flat, not all ruffled and warped like they are today.

Exactly. Fram knew of a potential sealing problem way back then and eliminated the possibility of it ever happening. First Brands took a different approach…

 

[Mewbs]

The only everyday spin-on filter that used a gasket on the leaf spring was the OG Ultra and Titanium. Filters with fiber end caps will naturally provide a better seal on the leaf spring. Other filters being made (during the time of the OG Ultra and Titanium) with a leaf spring were just a metal-on-metal seal. But back then the leaf springs were stamped smooth and flat, not all ruffled and warped like they are today.

Thankfully I'm in good supply with those with the stash sitting in air sealed ammo cans. I'm likely not buying anything from them again after all in inventory is gone.

Exactly. Fram knew of a potential sealing problem way back then and eliminated the possibility of it ever happening. First Brands took a different approach…

Sad part is millions of customers are pretty much unaware of this except a few groups auto hobby enthusiast hanging around in the internet.

I'm quite surprised Amsoil didn't caught wind of this change since First Brands, specially when B2B customers in the sector I worked in usually do quality audits and reviews of their suppliers annually. I noticed after around 2021-2022 Toyota TRD stopped supplying dealerships of their synthetic filters canisters which is why they're priced so high in the second hand market for new old stock in circulation.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

How many miles did this Oil Filter Go?

This was about 450
Once I learned about the potential leaks from the rippled spring plate……curiosity got me

 

[OVERKILL]

Exactly. Fram knew of a potential sealing problem way back then and eliminated the possibility of it ever happening. First Brands took a different approach…

Worst Brands don't care about that! That fibre ring costs MONEH!!!!

 

[Glenda W.]

Worst Brands don't care about that! That fibre ring costs MONEH!!!!