Another design issue that can cause problems during production if the leaf spring isn't stamped correctly.
AMSOIL EAO17 09/10/24…….its a leaker :-(
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Unless something changes…….I’m done with the AMSOIL filters. Microgard Select installed
Me too, and the Carquest Premiums. Other similar PGI extended versions also available. It gets me away from possible bad leaf springs, louvers and sloppy glue that sheds in use (Motorcrafts). Plus they are well built and efficient, and aren't that expensive. Best choice these days for all of those reasons.
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Yeah, for me this is really a hard choice.
My brain simply isn’t wired correctly I believe. I become extremely brand loyal. It was really hard for me to move away from Motorcraft filters. But you and others here opened my eyes to the Motorcraft flaws.
It honestly was a hard jump for me to switch to an essentially parts store filter. However, after seeing all the .It honestly was a hard jump for me to switch to an essentially parts store filter. However, after seeing all the data, all the cutaways, cutting them open for myself, it was an easy choice.
So to everyone here that has discussed filters, cut open filters discussed filter, filtering specs, thank you
It probably doesn’t get said enough. Many of you try to help, many of you do help quite a bit.
I would buy you all a beer if I was able
CHEERS
They are looking for a buyer.
I am a huge Amsoil fan and user, BUT don't touch the Amsoil branded filters......absolute junk!
I've never much pushed the filters, even when they WERE excellent. I will say personally sales of filters for me alone are down 30-40% for 12 months. It sucks a little, but not something I can control. That's why I asked you guys to report it. I'm just the squeaky wheel, off and on. You all are the juice.
That's probably going on to some degree with other dealers too, so Amsoil should see the red flag and get Champ Labs to get it fixed or find a new supplier. It's a lot harder to regain reputation than it is to lose it. You're feedback about it is a message they should take seriously, and that's all you can do which is a good move for sure.
It's a complete black box to me. This type of thing, Dealers are EXACTLY the same as the public. They have told me they are acting on it. But - well frankly not sure what the contract says - or what the PO's say.
^^^ Any company contracting another company to make oil filters (or anything for that matter) with their brand name should have a solid "does not meet specifications, performance or required quality" clause in the contract. And if that part of the contract isn't met, then monetary penalties and a clause to cancel the contract/order at any time.
You're assuming Amsoil has higher standards than First Brands.
Their horrible oil filter quality control caused me to knee-jerk-reaction quit using their products after 50 years of using them. Now that some time has passed, I realize the products made (or blended) in-house, which they have complete control over, are still some of the best in the world. If I hadn't bought five cases of HPL, I'd still be running their SS oil... just with a different filter.
Just last week, I bought two cases of Amsoil Upper Cylinder Lubricant to hopefully aid in my quest to lower carbon deposits in the new Pilot, so I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is.
And from rstcso: "You're assuming Amsoil has higher standards than First Brands."
Any company that doesn't have a solid supplier non-performance contract just leaves themselves open to the impacts of shoddy quality, like what's been seen lately. No supplier can be fully trusted, so contracts need to cover the purchaser. Champ Labs (and Fram, or whoever might have supplied Fram)) use to be able to stamp out perfect leaf springs … but not now. So something happened that needs attention and fixing.
What's your point.
Read what I wrote.
I worked in supplier QA since 1982. I'm pretty sure I know how it should work (geez!), but I fairly clearly stated I'm not in the loop.
You stated the obvious and I said "OK". Is that some problem?
I'm trying to ignore you guys insulting Amsoil when you don't have any real information. Why for example did you have to quote rstcso?
It comes across as flipped and sarcastic ... "OK". If you agree with what I said then just thumbs it up, or say something like "I agree". If you don't agree with someone's comments, then respond and say why. I've wrote and participated (peer reviewed) probably around 80-100 SOWs, RPQs, RFPs and worked directly with QA on dozens of complex projects - way more complicated than any oil filter. So what I said stems from that experience.
What I said was not trying to tell you how to do it or that I think you have no related experience (did I say you didn't?), so you automatically took it "personally". It was information for anyone reading this thread, and my viewpoint of how suppliers need to be on a short lease and they need well defined contractual documentation, and well written contracts with suppliers or they could get burned somehow ... just like Amsoil has been lately with filters from Champ Labs with bad louvers, ruffled leaf springs and sloppy glue all over the place. Social media is like wild fire, the word gets out and spreads fast. And this is hurting Amsoil's reputation. Seeing these cut open filters in this forum are information and facts of sloppy manufacturing and of lack of QA, and if you take it as an "insult" then that's on you understandably as I know you want to see them as a quality product - I would too if I sold them. As far as how Amsoil is "handling it", that's their business and I don't really care. If I worked for Amsoil I would care way more. I gave some positive feedback to the sloppy glue in post 87, because that's a fact, but many people don't like sloppy glue jobs.
I quoted rstcso so it tied into my comment in that post. Nobody here thinks that you are responsible for the lack of Amsoil's supplier control or Champ Labs manufacturing incompetence. Like I said, you've done your part about forwarding concerns seen by people here who buy and use the product. Keep putting pressure on them with more field evidence posted on this forum is all you can keep doing.
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Your comments were "meh" to me. I guess I could have written that, just saying a more or less neutral "OK" was perhaps inflammatory. I can't disagree, but I can say it didn't really need to be said I guess, but of course you are free to write as you want. So I just said "OK" because I didn't have a ton of time. OK?
WE (me, you, others in this thread) know not very much as to what happened and even less as to current status. We can speculate and I really don't want to go there.
And it's NOT personal. But to write somehow Amsoil has anything, standards or whatever in common with First Brands should have been nipped in the bud. It's silly at best.
Like said, it came across flipped regardless of what you actually meant - It's how I see it. Don't care if you thought it was "meh" ... it was for others here to also read.
We don't know what happened at the production facility or why, but we can see what happened through posted cut & posts. That's all that matters to people who use the product, or anyone who might want to use it. Same goes for pretty much any brand filter discussed in a cut & post thread. Look what happened to the reputation of the Fram Ultra, and of course the Fram Endurance which is in the same boat with the sister Amsoil filters.
Just the fact that you seem upset about someone saying Amsoil may have standards in common with First Brands shows it's somewhat "personal", because you sell and represent Amsoil. Normal behavior for it to feel that way, I probably would too especially if I couldn't do anything about it. I'm sure they have some kind of standards requirements with Champ Labs and/or First Brands, and hopefully someone at Amsoil cracks down on the quality issues. If they just "trust" Champ Labs to make a quality product with the Amsoil brand on it, then they are just being too lax with a supplier.
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