Amazon employees in dismay over return to the office policy

[wpod]

I guess I have been blessed i have had only 3 long term employers and they treated me very good to excellent beyond my expectations.

 

[AZjeff]

SIL who lives near us got a WFH job with a major tech company in early 2021 on the promise it was a permanent situation, the branch he works for is in Baltimore. He's been successful and has moved up. The branch manager went against company policy in early 2022 and tried to force return to office and lost some key talent who said nope. SIL recently told us that 95% of the applications the company gets are for the 25% of the jobs that are posted as WFH. Churn is normal and ongoing in tech, the recent layoffs were mostly eliminating non-productive workers and middle management when business slowed some.

A recently retired neighbor worked in IT security for a big insurance company, they found that WFH was successful enought that they made it permanent and shed some major real estate in Phoenix.

In some cases I suspect forcing return to office is easier for HR than dealing directly with the people slacking or taking advantage of it.

 

[Hall]

i am amazed at now much time in the day they seems to have to do their own stuff.

I don't work from home though I could do some of my work from there. That said, when I'm at work, my responsibilities don't require me to "work" 100% during my 8 hours. When I leave, everything that needs to be done is done though.

 

[AZjeff]

or better yet, start your own company and compete against the organization you left, because you didn't agree with their practices.
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Great in theory, in practice starting a company and competing with, say, Microsoft is somewhat far fetched.

 

[dishdude]

I've been working from home since 2012, long before it was fashionable. I find I'm a lot more productive with less distractions when I WFH but I do miss in person collaboration...if possible I think 2 days a week in the office is a nice balance. If you're calling people in just to work on their PC and attend Teams meetings, that's just counterproductive.

 

[GON]

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Great in theory, in practice starting a company and competing with, say, Microsoft is somewhat far fetched.

This mega billionaire left Oracle and started to compete with Oracle from his apartment kitchen. Easy, not at all. Possible, absolutely.

While at USC, Benioff had an internship as a programmer at Apple.[14] He joined Oracle Corporation in a customer-service role after graduating.[8] Benioff worked at Oracle for 13 years in a variety of sales, marketing, and product development roles.[3] At 23, he was named Oracle's Rookie of the Year. Three years later, he became the youngest person in the company's history to earn the title of vice president.[3]

Benioff founded Salesforce in 1999[15] in a San Francisco apartment and defined its mission in a marketing statement as "The End of Software."[16] This was a slogan he used frequently to preach about software on the Web, and used as a guerilla marketing tactic against the dominant CD-ROM CRM competitor Siebel at the time.[17] Benioff extended Salesforce's offerings in the early 2000s with the idea of a platform that allowed developers to create applications.[18]

 

[AZjeff]

One in a million success story. Possible, yes. Likely?

 

[bdcardinal]

I find the whole thing hilarious. I had to go to work everyday and deal with all the changing rules, seemingly daily.

I had someone call a few months ago regarding a Hankook tire warranty that they were not entitled to on their Explorer. She said she spoke to someone on Hankook who said they extended the offer "because no-one was driving." I jokingly responded with "well some of us still had to go to work everyday" to which she said "well those of us that mattered had to stay home." Needless to say we declined helping her.

 

[UG_Passat]

Know what Amazon bosses can do? Get IT to update the computers via VPN to remove VPN on next startup and/or revoke intranet access.

Then the people who refuse to go back to the office be ***? and have to go back into the office to see IT.

 

[supton]

I find I'm a lot more productive with less distractions when I WFH but I do miss in person collaboration...if possible I think 2 days a week in the office is a nice balance.

Ditto. Its a good balance. I live in front of a computer, most of the time.

Thing is, my company is global now and so late night meetings are becoming the norm. Expect people to be in office yet make calls at 8 or 9pm? something gotta give. WFH and flex is great, but yeah, we all know it gets abused.

Every field is different. Right now finding tech talent seems hard.

 

[Trav]

Those people are nothing more than lazy bone idle turds that should be fired out the door like they were coming out of a howitzer.
I cant post how I really feel. LOL

 

[ATex7239]

Employer has the final say.

Show up to office or find another job.

I’ll venture to say the employer rarely has the final say. The employer offers the job to a qualified candidate and the candidate chooses to decline or accept it. Maybe there is a bit of negotiation but it usually end on the acceptance by the candidate. I have turned down way more jobs than I have accepted. I had the final say. The employer gives responsibilities, tasks and mandates of the role and employee decides what he/she will or won’t do. The expectation and consequences are typically known up front, like in this situation in the OP, and employee makes their decisions. The employee gets the finally say because the results are known up front. Quitting is self evident. Firing and layoffs are one time the employee doesn’t get a say. Well unless the employee lawyers up, then the lawyers get the final say.

If the OP quits those cars still aren’t getting worked on so who’s in the hot sit here. Those customer didn’t pay for manager they paid for a mechanic. Most cases the workers have most of the self agency and the company goes only go as far as the employees are willing to take it. Companies and managers who understand this partnership are the one good ones. It’s a business partnership not indentured servitude.

 

[Astro14]

Still wishing I could work from home…

 

[Astro14]

Those people are nothing more than lazy bone idle turds that should be fired out the door like they were coming out of a howitzer.
I cant post how I really feel. LOL

Yeah, I struggle to understand how you really feel, bud. You hide it so well…

 

[Hall]

I have turned down way more jobs than I have accepted.

What did the employers do with the jobs you turned down ?

 

[ATex7239]

What did the employers do with the jobs you turned down ?

Looked for another wiling person who would accept their offer I imagine. Maybe they scrapped the rec. I don’t really know.

The point is I own my knowledge, skills, and abilities. The company I was merely just offering to pay me for it so they could in turn charge customers for it. It’s always a negotiation not a demand.

 

[GON]

Still wishing I could work from home…

I bet you could make more money working from home. But you would have to give up this:

 

[GON]

Duplicate post.

 

[fsdork]

What did the employers do with the jobs you turned down ?

In my wife's recent experience, the answer is they get re-posted, possibly multiple times. Alternately, they are held vacant because the employer knows there aren't many suitable candidates applying.

As @ATex7239 pointed out, the job offer is just that - an offer. In my wife's case, she's taken several interviews, resulting in a few job offers. In all cases so far, she has inquired about hybrid WFH options, and has more or less been told the employer would like to offer that flexibility but in order to avoid HR headaches, the only way they can effectively manage the not so great employees is to apply office attendance policies equally. She's declined those jobs, and at least a few of them haven't been filled.

 

[svtrit]

I’ll venture to say the employer rarely has the final say. The employer offers the job to a qualified candidate and the candidate chooses to decline or accept it. Maybe there is a bit of negotiation but it usually end on the acceptance by the candidate. I have turned down way more jobs than I have accepted. I had the final say. The employer gives responsibilities, tasks and mandates of the role and employee decides what he/she will or won’t do. The expectation and consequences are typically known up front, like in this situation in the OP, and employee makes their decisions. The employee gets the finally say because the results are known up front. Quitting is self evident. Firing and layoffs are one time the employee doesn’t get a say. Well unless the employee lawyers up, then the lawyers get the final say.

If the OP quits those cars still aren’t getting worked on so who’s in the hot sit here. Those customer didn’t pay for manager they paid for a mechanic. Most cases the workers have most of the self agency and the company goes only go as far as the employees are willing to take it. Companies and managers who understand this partnership are the one good ones. It’s a business partnership not indentured servitude.

These days the employee really does have say. There are so many openings out there, paying equal or more, so an employee can chose to leave.

I’ve had this argument with family members who talk about abusive companies. You as an employee can make a decision and find a new job rather than be abused.

I interviewed two people this week who want more than they can get from their current job, though they both respected their current employer.

I can guarantee within two years they will do the same to me, but we will both have grown during the two years we spent together. My goal is to build a team they don’t want to leave, but reality and stats show I should expect a 2 year stint.

Employees forget they can move on if they hate their current employer.