Based on your pic the condition of that engine after 80k on M1 is UNACCEPTABLE
Am I wasting $12 on M1 filters?
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With no idea of the Previous Owner's habits for the 1st 80,000 miles of it's life, no real definitive conclusions can be based on the oil, technically, at least in a definitive fashion.
If you had a picture of it when you purchased compared to now, definitely more plausible.
Change your PCV valve! ..or check it.
Any other operating issues that you are aware of?
You could always swap to another full synthetic of differing formulation and see if that was shake things up.
If you had a picture of it when you purchased compared to now, definitely more plausible.
Change your PCV valve! ..or check it.
Any other operating issues that you are aware of?
You could always swap to another full synthetic of differing formulation and see if that was shake things up.
Originally Posted By: GMZ
I always get the "free" M1 filter deal with 5 qts of M1 from AZ for $35. For your OCI you should run P1 at the very most.
+1 For my 97 Camry I get the AZ M1 with M1EP filter special for around $33 so the oil is a good price and filter is essentially free. For my wife's 07 Camry I buy the Advance Autoparts Castrol Edge/Distance Plus special. I buy 5W30 Edge and use it in my daughter's 98 Camry and the Distance Plus for the 07 Camry.
I always get the "free" M1 filter deal with 5 qts of M1 from AZ for $35. For your OCI you should run P1 at the very most.
+1 For my 97 Camry I get the AZ M1 with M1EP filter special for around $33 so the oil is a good price and filter is essentially free. For my wife's 07 Camry I buy the Advance Autoparts Castrol Edge/Distance Plus special. I buy 5W30 Edge and use it in my daughter's 98 Camry and the Distance Plus for the 07 Camry.
Try swapping to Pennzoil Ultra and Purolator PureOne filters will save you money and honestly with an older/high mileage engine with any question of previous care from the owner I'd run nothing but Pennzoil Ultra to clean any neglect. Did it for my car for about 5 changes now and engine feels way more responsive, healthy and even boosted mpg! Highly recommend you give it a shot.
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Originally Posted By: 00firebird
it had the typical GM 3.8L gasket problem so it might not look as great as it should. with that said i'm still glad it runs before it ran into a coolant hydrolock issue or some other disaster. If we completely ignore price for a moment, how much better is the mobil 1 compared to the wix/P1? what internal parts are different? any test numbers to look at?
Bingo. The pic doesn't speak much to anything due to this. PU or PP, or some other "miracle in an oil bottle" wasn't going to save this engine from LIM gasket failure, and subsequently wouldn't have resulted in anything better than what you are showing us.
it had the typical GM 3.8L gasket problem so it might not look as great as it should. with that said i'm still glad it runs before it ran into a coolant hydrolock issue or some other disaster. If we completely ignore price for a moment, how much better is the mobil 1 compared to the wix/P1? what internal parts are different? any test numbers to look at?
Bingo. The pic doesn't speak much to anything due to this. PU or PP, or some other "miracle in an oil bottle" wasn't going to save this engine from LIM gasket failure, and subsequently wouldn't have resulted in anything better than what you are showing us.
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Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Based on your pic the condition of that engine after 80k on M1 is UNACCEPTABLE
You do know WHY the engine is apart right?
Based on your pic the condition of that engine after 80k on M1 is UNACCEPTABLE
You do know WHY the engine is apart right?
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
I would too, for some odd reason I didn't mention it though.
I don't think he's going to tear into the bottom end of the engine, or re-ring it, so a cleaner certainly won't hurt.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
I would too, for some odd reason I didn't mention it though.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
I would too, for some odd reason I didn't mention it though
. I don't think he's going to tear into the bottom end of the engine, or re-ring it, so a cleaner certainly won't hurt.
For sure, I'm speaking solely about what he has access to at this point, much of which sees very little oil flow during use.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
I would too, for some odd reason I didn't mention it though
For sure, I'm speaking solely about what he has access to at this point, much of which sees very little oil flow during use.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
I would too, for some odd reason I didn't mention it though
. I don't think he's going to tear into the bottom end of the engine, or re-ring it, so a cleaner certainly won't hurt.
For sure, I'm speaking solely about what he has access to at this point, much of which sees very little oil flow during use.
I'm with you 100%. Odds are if coolant mixed in with the oil there's some junk elsewhere, and a good cleaner would certainly help get it cleaned up. JMO
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
I would too, for some odd reason I didn't mention it though
For sure, I'm speaking solely about what he has access to at this point, much of which sees very little oil flow during use.
I'm with you 100%. Odds are if coolant mixed in with the oil there's some junk elsewhere, and a good cleaner would certainly help get it cleaned up. JMO
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Based on your pic the condition of that engine after 80k on M1 is UNACCEPTABLE
I believe he said the engine has 160,000 mi, of which he put on last 80,000 mi using M1.
Personally, I'd use the oversize Puro L30005 or AC-Delco PF-24, either can had for under $5.
I'd rather throw on a fresh, but slightly lower quality filter, every 4-5000 mi than run a high dollar filter for 10K.
Based on your pic the condition of that engine after 80k on M1 is UNACCEPTABLE
I believe he said the engine has 160,000 mi, of which he put on last 80,000 mi using M1.
Personally, I'd use the oversize Puro L30005 or AC-Delco PF-24, either can had for under $5.
I'd rather throw on a fresh, but slightly lower quality filter, every 4-5000 mi than run a high dollar filter for 10K.
Originally Posted By: Rock_Hudstone
Personally, I'd use the oversize Puro L30005 or AC-Delco PF-24, either can had for under $5.
Correction: AC-Delco PF-52 or Puro L24011.
Personally, I'd use the oversize Puro L30005 or AC-Delco PF-24, either can had for under $5.
Correction: AC-Delco PF-52 or Puro L24011.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
Your suggesting Kreen cant clean that...whats your experience with Kreen?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
Your suggesting Kreen cant clean that...whats your experience with Kreen?
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Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
Your suggesting Kreen cant clean that...whats your experience with Kreen?
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm STATING that Kreen isn't going to be able to clean what it can't touch sir. Unless you are of the mind that tiny leprechauns jump around inside the engine with tiny Kreen-soaked brushes cleaning off the surfaces that receive no actual lubrication and simply accrue deposits due to oil and deposit laden crankcase gasses floating around and condensing on them, then I think we are probably in agreement.
Put down the giant Kreen foam finger for a second, I'm not attacking the product, simply making a statement based on a fair amount of experience with these fancy things we call internal combustion engines.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
Your suggesting Kreen cant clean that...whats your experience with Kreen?
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm STATING that Kreen isn't going to be able to clean what it can't touch sir. Unless you are of the mind that tiny leprechauns jump around inside the engine with tiny Kreen-soaked brushes cleaning off the surfaces that receive no actual lubrication and simply accrue deposits due to oil and deposit laden crankcase gasses floating around and condensing on them, then I think we are probably in agreement.
Put down the giant Kreen foam finger for a second, I'm not attacking the product, simply making a statement based on a fair amount of experience with these fancy things we call internal combustion engines.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
Your suggesting Kreen cant clean that...whats your experience with Kreen?
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm STATING that Kreen isn't going to be able to clean what it can't touch sir. Unless you are of the mind that tiny leprechauns jump around inside the engine with tiny Kreen-soaked brushes cleaning off the surfaces that receive no actual lubrication and simply accrue deposits due to oil and deposit laden crankcase gasses floating around and condensing on them, then I think we are probably in agreement.
Put down the giant Kreen foam finger for a second, I'm not attacking the product, simply making a statement based on a fair amount of experience with these fancy things we call internal combustion engines.
How dare I question your response!
Because I currently have it in my oil - a lot of it - for almost 1k. Put a bunch in the gas too. So I'm sorta paranoid right now.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'd use a P1 or Classic filter from Purolator. I'd also give Kreen a shot at cleaning up the mess from the bad gasket. Oil alone cleans but not as well as oil with Kreen or MMO added to it. I'd want to clean that up in short order, and Kreen would do it nicely.
As a side note, that varnish isn't the fault of the oil, which some people are quick to blame. JMO
IMHO, I'd give it a solid going over with some real cleaner while it is apart rather than hoping something is going to clean up all of it while it is together.
Your suggesting Kreen cant clean that...whats your experience with Kreen?
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm STATING that Kreen isn't going to be able to clean what it can't touch sir. Unless you are of the mind that tiny leprechauns jump around inside the engine with tiny Kreen-soaked brushes cleaning off the surfaces that receive no actual lubrication and simply accrue deposits due to oil and deposit laden crankcase gasses floating around and condensing on them, then I think we are probably in agreement.
Put down the giant Kreen foam finger for a second, I'm not attacking the product, simply making a statement based on a fair amount of experience with these fancy things we call internal combustion engines.
Because I currently have it in my oil - a lot of it - for almost 1k. Put a bunch in the gas too. So I'm sorta paranoid right now.
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Meh, I figured it was something in that vein, LOL!
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
Why is the engine opened up? I missed that.
Regardless, I am with Leaky here. This is just UNACCEPTABLE if last 80K were done with M1 at 5K OCI. It does not matter if the oil was never even changed for the first 80K
LIM gasket failure. Coolant was getting in the oil.
Why is the engine opened up? I missed that.
Regardless, I am with Leaky here. This is just UNACCEPTABLE if last 80K were done with M1 at 5K OCI. It does not matter if the oil was never even changed for the first 80K
LIM gasket failure. Coolant was getting in the oil.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Unless you are of the mind that tiny leprechauns jump around inside the engine with tiny Kreen-soaked brushes cleaning off the surfaces that receive no actual lubrication
Actually, my order of Kreen came free with those. I used the coupon code STPATTYSDAY.
Unless you are of the mind that tiny leprechauns jump around inside the engine with tiny Kreen-soaked brushes cleaning off the surfaces that receive no actual lubrication
Actually, my order of Kreen came free with those. I used the coupon code STPATTYSDAY.
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