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Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1

and balance them with BB's...

Do you mean put 10 BB's inside the tire to roll around in there as you drive? Me no understand. That might work like this thing:
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Yeah, you're crazy to pay $84 for Goodyear Integrity in size 195/70-14.

There are many much better tire in that size for much less than $84.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Yeah, you're crazy to pay $84 for Goodyear Integrity in size 195/70-14.

There are many much better tire in that size for much less than $84.


Maybe because they were $49 with free shipping earlier today...
 
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
$84? I just got Goodyear Integrity's in the same size for my Camry for $49 each with free pickup at Walmart. Their website estimates it'll take a week to get their but it took 2 1/2 days

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Goodyear-Integrity-Tire-P195-70R14-90S-p/2367690

Cancel the Amazon order and save $140.

Well how about that? I paid $49 with free shipping, (prime). I knew they were on some kind of special. When searching I found several prices. Amazon, Sears & WM had them for $49. I could have ordered through WM and picked them up at the local store, but my Amazon Prime delivers them to my front door.

Looks like I caught a break... Just got an E-mail, delivery is Wed.

Wayne
 
Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1

and balance them with BB's...

Do you mean put 10 BB's inside the tire to roll around in there as you drive? Me no understand. That might work like this thing:

Yup, that's it. I put 4oz of plastic BB's inside each tire. Works great. I did this with the old tires, knowing I was going to replace them in a few weeks, to see if it works like I had read.

Wayne
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Yeah, you're crazy to pay $84 for Goodyear Integrity in size 195/70-14.

There are many much better tire in that size for much less than $84.
Actually, I've had good results with GY's, except for the OEM GY's that came with the 2000 GC. Those were really poor. Had a sidewall bubble on one and a belt separation on another. The tread wore odd and they never would track straight. I replaced them at 38k with the GY's that Sams was selling at the time. I used 4 sets of them on 3 cars/vans, Got around 50k out of them. Would have bought more if Sams still had them . The last 2 sets I bought were the Goodrich T/A's that Sams is selling now. They're ok, but kind of noisy.

Wayne
 
Goodyear Integrity ranked 9 out of 10 Passenger All-Season on Tirerack and Passenger All-Season is the lowest class of all tires for car and light truck.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Goodyear Integrity ranked 9 out of 10 Passenger All-Season on Tirerack and Passenger All-Season is the lowest class of all tires for car and light truck.
Well, here is the thing, this is the family beater. 1994 Plymouth Acclaim. 237k miles. Averages 3500 miles/year. The current set of GY's are over 10 years old. ~38k miles. Still have 4-5/32" tread. 2 wont hold air any more. 1 just had a serious puncture, which I plugged, but will not hold air now. I should put top 10 $100+ tires on it? These tires will be new, they will hold air, they will be safe. $500 tires on a $400 car? The next stop for that car is the JY. The only question is when?.... YMMV

Wayne
 
Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
I just ordered a set of tires for the family beater..

http://www.amazon.com/Goodyear-Integrity-Radial-Tire-70R14/dp/tech-data/B004QL660M

........


Nope that part isn't crazy.

Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
....I'll mount them with my almost new HF tire changer.

http://www.harborfreight.com/portable-tire-changer-69686.html

........


Nope, that part isn't crazy either provided you know what you are doing. Be careful, because it is easy to get in over your head.

Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
......and balance them with BB's......


Wayne, that part is crazy.

First, if you damage the inside of the tire, there is no warranty - period. Stuff inside a tire has been known to damage the innerliner - and that's what holds the air in!

Second, you realize that the principle involved requires the tire to be rotating at high speeds to make it work, right? At low speeds the centrifugal forces (or is it centripetal? I always get those mixed up!) aren't enough.

Plus, those ring things only work in the plane they are mounted in. They do NOT do dynamic balance (2 plane).
 
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Hi CapriRacer,
Thanks for your concerns. I've considered all your issues. I've been running the BB's in the beater for more then a year. They are as smooth as expected considering the tires are old and worn. When I unmount them, I will look closely and then decide if I will use the BB's in the new tires. As far as busting tires, I was doing that to the old 20" tube type truck tires back in 1954, when I was 17 years old. I've worked in 3 different service stations ans a tire shop back in the early 60's. I may be a little rusty, but I do know what I'm doing. As far as warranties go, they are largely worthless in my personal experiance.... YMMV

Wayne
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq263AYgyYg
I have tried this experiment many times. It is pretty amazing. I have always been a skeptic too. I am still trying to find the right application to test it out. The more narrow the tire the better, as in motorcycle tires. I took a 2 liter pop bottle attached to my cordless drill with a 1/4 weight taped on the end, and spun it. Shook like crazy. Put the beads in, smooths right out. You can hold it vertically after spinning, and still smooth.
Explain that. At low speed balance isn't an issue. But when you crank it up the ceramic beads fall right into place.
 
Hey thanks. Thats a good demo. The dynabeads are very small so they can be installed through the valve stem. Last year when I rotated the tires, I just broke one bead and dropped the BB's in. I'm using 5mm plastic air rifle BB's. They are nice and smooth,light weight and clean so they wont corrode and should be non abrasive to the tire liner. I have to remember to take some pics when I dismount the old tires. This an old idea and was used on aircraft propellers way back in the 20's and 30's. In the 50's J C Whitney sold wheel balancers for cars that mounted on the hub inside of the wheel. Earlier, FetchFar posted a pic of that type of balancer.

BTW: It really doesn't matter the tire size, my tires are 195-70-14 on 5.5" rims.

Wayne
 
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
I just ordered a set of tires for the family beater..

http://www.amazon.com/Goodyear-Integrity-Radial-Tire-70R14/dp/tech-data/B004QL660M

........


Nope that part isn't crazy.

Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
....I'll mount them with my almost new HF tire changer.

http://www.harborfreight.com/portable-tire-changer-69686.html

........


Nope, that part isn't crazy either provided you know what you are doing. Be careful, because it is easy to get in over your head.

Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
......and balance them with BB's......


Wayne, that part is crazy.

First, if you damage the inside of the tire, there is no warranty - period. Stuff inside a tire has been known to damage the innerliner - and that's what holds the air in!

Second, you realize that the principle involved requires the tire to be rotating at high speeds to make it work, right? At low speeds the centrifugal forces (or is it centripetal? I always get those mixed up!) aren't enough.

Plus, those ring things only work in the plane they are mounted in. They do NOT do dynamic balance (2 plane).


Seriously: do you have ANY idea how many tires are balanced with Dynabeads? Many truck tires are done this way, as are many motorcycles.
 
Originally Posted By: Traction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq263AYgyYg
I have tried this experiment many times. It is pretty amazing. I have always been a skeptic too. I am still trying to find the right application to test it out. The more narrow the tire the better, as in motorcycle tires. I took a 2 liter pop bottle attached to my cordless drill with a 1/4 weight taped on the end, and spun it. Shook like crazy. Put the beads in, smooths right out. You can hold it vertically after spinning, and still smooth.
Explain that. At low speed balance isn't an issue. But when you crank it up the ceramic beads fall right into place.


Well, not exactly.

Notice that there is still a wobble at all the speeds. It isn't completely smooth. So while the principle is demonstrated pretty well, there seems to be some sort of glitch - something not quite right.

But I think the question is this: Is it better to use conventional balancing techniques or those beads, powders, or slurries - and I would think if those beads, powders, and slurries were so good, they would have taken over by now - particularly with the OEM's where balance warranty is such a big item.
 
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: Traction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq263AYgyYg
I have tried this experiment many times. It is pretty amazing. I have always been a skeptic too. I am still trying to find the right application to test it out. The more narrow the tire the better, as in motorcycle tires. I took a 2 liter pop bottle attached to my cordless drill with a 1/4 weight taped on the end, and spun it. Shook like crazy. Put the beads in, smooths right out. You can hold it vertically after spinning, and still smooth.
Explain that. At low speed balance isn't an issue. But when you crank it up the ceramic beads fall right into place.


Well, not exactly.

Notice that there is still a wobble at all the speeds. It isn't completely smooth. So while the principle is demonstrated pretty well, there seems to be some sort of glitch - something not quite right.

But I think the question is this: Is it better to use conventional balancing techniques or those beads, powders, or slurries - and I would think if those beads, powders, and slurries were so good, they would have taken over by now - particularly with the OEM's where balance warranty is such a big item.


Well the wobble that is left that you see is because the bottle isn't exactly a machined part, and it is hard the get the valve stem that I tried perfectly centered in the cap. They are not recommended on wide low profile tires. I still prefer normal balancing, But it still interesting that the beads do appear to work. Can make a mess when you pull the tire off though. It might be something to consider putting in a balanced tire to maintain the balance over time. I didn't believe it either until I tried the bottle demo. I still want to try it on a tire sometime though.
 
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