Alligator killed 2-year-old boy in Disney World

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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Prune_Juice
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix


I still go by the official definitions of the English language (unlike some people it seems), not made up definitions that I think a word should mean.


Clever. And your respect for modern-day American English is admirable. BUT. If the people were in the water, does it matter if they swam, waded, floated, hopscotched, ran, sprinted, jogged, yoga, Pilates, Zumba, or otherwise were present in? I'll go to the Merriam Webster dictionary to check out word definitions, but if a foot is in some water, is that flying? Biking? Hiking?

Did the sign say being in the water was OK?

Did the sign say "After dark?"

Was there a reasonable suspicion of a gator?


The sign simply said "No Swimming" ... that's it. You should know that by now if you've kept up with this thread. It did not say "Stay Out Of The Water" and said nothing about alligators in the water - which Disney was well aware of.

Wading is NOT swimming ... per the official definition of the word. Too many people don't even know the real meaning of words anymore, and just make up their own definitions to suit their perception.


Why were they in the water?

What does "No" mean?

Should I be required to pass an English test on what every sign says and what it means?

You still feel no "Swimming," as per the definition of the word, meant that other non-swimming activities (again.. Intent to swim, could have swam) were perfectly fine?
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Like I said, go look up the official definition of 'swim' and 'wade'.

I still go by the official definitions of the English language (unlike some people it seems), not made up definitions that I think a word should mean.


Now you are being obtuse ...


Not really. Look up the definition of the words 'swim' and 'wade' ... the are NOT the same thing. The kid was not swimming, and the sign specifically said "NO SWIMMING". Too many people make up their own meanings for words these days ... just another sign of the degradation of society.
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Originally Posted By: Prune_Juice
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Prune_Juice
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix


I still go by the official definitions of the English language (unlike some people it seems), not made up definitions that I think a word should mean.


Clever. And your respect for modern-day American English is admirable. BUT. If the people were in the water, does it matter if they swam, waded, floated, hopscotched, ran, sprinted, jogged, yoga, Pilates, Zumba, or otherwise were present in? I'll go to the Merriam Webster dictionary to check out word definitions, but if a foot is in some water, is that flying? Biking? Hiking?

Did the sign say being in the water was OK?

Did the sign say "After dark?"

Was there a reasonable suspicion of a gator?


The sign simply said "No Swimming" ... that's it. You should know that by now if you've kept up with this thread. It did not say "Stay Out Of The Water" and said nothing about alligators in the water - which Disney was well aware of.

Wading is NOT swimming ... per the official definition of the word. Too many people don't even know the real meaning of words anymore, and just make up their own definitions to suit their perception.


Why were they in the water?

What does "No" mean?

Should I be required to pass an English test on what every sign says and what it means?

You still feel no "Swimming," as per the definition of the word, meant that other non-swimming activities (again.. Intent to swim, could have swam) were perfectly fine?


Stop trolling ... obviously ridiculous questions.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Stop trolling ... obviously ridiculous questions.


You stop trolling.. You haven't answered them.

And why are they "ridiculous?"

Did you answer Shannow?

*edit ^ Good.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Pray tell what these signs are meant to convey, universally to people who may or may not understand English...
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That sign certainly means do not swim in the water, but it does not necessarily mean that you can't walk in the water up to your knees along the shoreline because it doesn't say "No Wading" or "Stay Out Of The Water", and by definition wading and swimming are not the same thing.

If this goes case goes to court the meaning of the sign will be beat to death, and found to be negligent if Disney was secretly trying to keep people out of the water because they knew alligators were there.
 
Originally Posted By: Prune_Juice
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Stop trolling ... obviously ridiculous questions.


You stop trolling.. You haven't answered them.

And why are they "ridiculous?"

Did you answer Shannow?


It's obvious why your questions are ridiculous. I'm not going to spoon feed you answers to ridiculous trolling questions. If you want the answers, go find them yourself. If you can't contribute to the discussion in a normal manner then you're not going to get a response.
 
Wade
[weyd]
verb (used without object), waded, wading.
1.
to walk in water, when partially immersed:
He wasn't swimming, he was wading.


2.
to play in water:
The children were wading in the pool most of the afternoon.

Swim
[swim]
verb (used without object), swam, swum, swimming.
1.
to move in water by movements of the limbs, fins, tail, etc.

2.
to float on the surface of water or some other liquid.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Prune_Juice
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

Stop trolling ... obviously ridiculous questions.


You stop trolling.. You haven't answered them.

And why are they "ridiculous?"

Did you answer Shannow?


It's obvious why your questions are ridiculous. I'm not going to spoon feed you answers to ridiculous trolling questions. If you want the answers, go find them yourself. If you can't contribute to the discussion in a normal manner then you're not going to get a response.


I just posted two definitions.

It seems to swim can be called to "move in the water with the limbs."

Point, set, match.
 
^^^ There you go ... swimming and wading are not the same thing. The sign said "No Swimming" ... period.

"Move in the water with the limbs" means using your arms and legs to actually swim through and on top or through the water ... not walk on the ground through water. The definition of 'wade' describes that.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wade
Wade: "To walk through water"
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ There you go ... swimming and wading are not the same thing. The sign said "No Swimming" ... period.


They moved in the water with their limbs.

(Respectfully,) I don't think your point is a strong one.

(The point that they did not "swim" past a "No Swimming" sign.)
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

That sign certainly means do not swim in the water, but it does not necessarily mean that you can't walk in the water up to your knees along the shoreline because it doesn't say "No Wading" or "Stay Out Of The Water", and by definition wading and swimming are not the same thing.


You really are taking obtuse to a new level...the other photo ?

Look up Logan Circle Fountain, and what the message in the tiles are...check out the depth.

There's a set of universal memes, that don't rely on the carriage of a dictionary when faced with them...and this is one of them.
 
I think my point is strong enough to win in court of law if it ever comes to that.

The bottom line is the kid was not technically "swimming", and further more and most importantly, there was zero signage warning of alligator danger. If Disney had one ounce of confidence that their signs were good enough to warn people about alligators and prevent some kid from getting snagged off the shoreline, then they wouldn't be putting up new signs and fencing the day after this incident occurred. They would also willingly go to trial if they had to, and argue everything was done right on their end. Wait and see how this is settled out of court, which just shows they know they were negligent.

Big failure, which will cost Disney millions and probably a tarnished reputation for a few years. Whereas the parents of the kid will never ever forget this indecent.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix

That sign certainly means do not swim in the water, but it does not necessarily mean that you can't walk in the water up to your knees along the shoreline because it doesn't say "No Wading" or "Stay Out Of The Water", and by definition wading and swimming are not the same thing.


You really are taking obtuse to a new level...the other photo ?

Look up Logan Circle Fountain, and what the message in the tiles are...check out the depth.

There's a set of universal memes, that don't rely on the carriage of a dictionary when faced with them...and this is one of them.


So you think that because some idiot used a "No Swimming" sign next to a small fountain that the sign has some magical world wide meaning? LoL ... sure, talk about 'obtuse'.
 
Regardless of what the signs said, Disney will still be liable here simply because it occurred on their property. If I put up signs in my yard that say "No Trespassing" and "Beware of Dog", and someone comes in my yard and gets bitten by my dog, I'm still liable for their injuries.
 
Agreed, it's NOT the wording on the sign that makes them liable, but as stated, it occurred on their property.

Hierarchy of Risk Management controls will be what's actually looked at, and "administrative" controls like signage are WAY down the list of what would get you off the hook here in Oz.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Agreed, it's NOT the wording on the sign that makes them liable, but as stated, it occurred on their property.

Hierarchy of Risk Management controls will be what's actually looked at, and "administrative" controls like signage are WAY down the list of what would get you off the hook here in Oz.


Yes, but also realize that if proper signage was in place this most likely would have never happened.

I think Disney, and maybe other companies seeing this tragedy, might have learned something here. Like they say, sometimes lessons learned are learned the hard way.
 
Disney World needs to pay this poor family. I guess this family has lawyers fighting each other for this case?? On the other hand, we have the poor 5yr old at the zoo that fell over the Gorilla exhibit.
 
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