Alligator killed 2-year-old boy in Disney World

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Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Which part of "no swimming" is so ambiguous?


It is ambiguous. It gives no indication whatsoever that there might be real danger like alligators in the water. Not everyone that visits Florida is from the area and may have no clue alligators could be just feet off the shoreline, mostly at the theme park like Disney.

Why do you think Disney is already putting up better warning signs? ... they obviously saw their flaw. Their action of instantly changing signs is an indication that they know signage was lacking - that won't look good in court if it goes that far.

Unfortunately, it takes a tragedy to open people's eyes to the obvious. Just like the gorilla incident, there was some negligence on the part of the zoo for having a fence that a 3 year old could get through. Must have been one secure fence if it couldn't hold back a 3 year old . Guess what, the zoo beefed up the fence a day or two after that incident.
 
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Do alligators only attack prey who are in 1 foot or so of water or more or do they go for stuff on waters edge?


Of course they do. Many animals just come into the water a little ways to drink or whatever. Here's a prime example. There are many videos like this on YouTube showing alligators snatching pray right off the shoreline.

WARNING - THIS IS VERY GRAPHIC VIDEO OF AN ALLIGATOR ATTACKING A WARTHOG. NOT for the squeamish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P2qAj4hitg
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
A healthy, intelligent two years old can be found by a jury to have the potential for a long working career, worth a lot of money.
M. Mouse & Company don't want a protracted public trial, the publicity will drive tourists elsewhere, and the loss of earnings would be far more than the settlement.


So a hypothetical future earnings ?

And the parents were to be the beneficiaries ?
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Do alligators only attack prey who are in 1 foot or so of water or more or do they go for stuff on waters edge?


Of course they do. Many animals just come into the water a little ways to drink or whatever. Here's a prime example. There are many videos like this on YouTube showing alligators snatching pray right off the shoreline.

WARNING - THIS IS VERY GRAPHIC VIDEO OF AN ALLIGATOR ATTACKING A WARTHOG. NOT for the squeamish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P2qAj4hitg


That's called a crocodile. Not an alligator.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Which part of "no swimming" is so ambiguous?


It is ambiguous. It gives no indication whatsoever that there might be real danger like alligators in the water. Not everyone that visits Florida is from the area and may have no clue alligators could be just feet off the shoreline, mostly at the theme park like Disney.


What's ambiguous about no swimming ?

How many lines of fine print would you have explaining the dangers in water inhalation, the potential for brain eating parasites, hidden objects, and yes gators ?

When you can say "no swimming" ?
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
So a hypothetical future earnings ?

And the parents were to be the beneficiaries ?



We live in a country that worships money so it is an imperfect but effective deterrent.

If it were to be removed, it needs to be replaced with something else, perhaps criminal charges.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Which part of "no swimming" is so ambiguous?


It is ambiguous. It gives no indication whatsoever that there might be real danger like alligators in the water. Not everyone that visits Florida is from the area and may have no clue alligators could be just feet off the shoreline, mostly at the theme park like Disney.

Why do you think Disney is already putting up better warning signs? ... they obviously saw their flaw. Their action of instantly changing signs is an indication that they know signage was lacking - that won't look good in court if it goes that far.

Unfortunately, it takes a tragedy to open people's eyes to the obvious. Just like the gorilla incident, there was some negligence on the part of the zoo for having a fence that a 3 year old could get through. Must have been one secure fence if it couldn't hold back a 3 year old . Guess what, the zoo beefed up the fence a day or two after that incident.


No, it's a sign that people were too stupid for the first sign.

Stop beating around the bush. Give me a direct explanation as to why a reasonable person should send their child into a body of water that says "NO SWIMMING".

Should you swim here? NO.

Allowed to swim? NO.

Hey! Forget your warning. I'm going ignore your sign and send my child up in there, because you didn't give me a good enough reason not to swim.


Does Disney need to put signs over the toilets that say "no swimming" if a child drowns in one of those? How about a secondary warning not to drink out of the thing?
 
Letting a 2 year old wade in bodies of water after dark just isn't good sense. No matter if it's FL or any other place. Kid or parents could have more easily stepped in a hole and become lost. Signs can't fix stupid. If they had a DANGER CERTAIN DEATH BEYOND THIS POINT sign some idiot would cross it and then people would have been saying they should have had a fence. But then the fence would be too short. So they make taller fence and put concertina wire on top. "Muh baby cut himself."
 
A lot of people wouldn't consider stepping into a lake just a little to get their feet wet to be "swimming." As seen on the Olympics, an act of swimming requires water deep enough to float your body free of the bottom.

And you don't have to be in water at all to have an alligator bite you. They are amphibious.
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Do alligators only attack prey who are in 1 foot or so of water or more or do they go for stuff on waters edge?


Of course they do. Many animals just come into the water a little ways to drink or whatever. Here's a prime example. There are many videos like this on YouTube showing alligators snatching pray right off the shoreline.

WARNING - THIS IS VERY GRAPHIC VIDEO OF AN ALLIGATOR ATTACKING A WARTHOG. NOT for the squeamish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P2qAj4hitg


That's called a crocodile. Not an alligator.


Whatever ... they both do the same thing.
 
Originally Posted By: mk378
A lot of people wouldn't consider stepping into a lake just a little to get their feet wet to be "swimming." As seen on the Olympics, an act of swimming requires water deep enough to float your body free of the bottom.

And you don't have to be in water at all to have an alligator bite you. They are amphibious.


I'm going to say it again: American Alligators ARE NOT crocodiles. They do not explode out of the water and drag you in like a wildebeest.

They will chase you if you go out of your way to antagonize them.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Which part of "no swimming" is so ambiguous?


It is ambiguous. It gives no indication whatsoever that there might be real danger like alligators in the water. Not everyone that visits Florida is from the area and may have no clue alligators could be just feet off the shoreline, mostly at the theme park like Disney.


What's ambiguous about no swimming ?

How many lines of fine print would you have explaining the dangers in water inhalation, the potential for brain eating parasites, hidden objects, and yes gators ?

When you can say "no swimming" ?


It's ambiguous, it gives no indication of any kind of actual danger in the water ... sorry you don't get it.
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Which part of "no swimming" is so ambiguous?


It is ambiguous. It gives no indication whatsoever that there might be real danger like alligators in the water. Not everyone that visits Florida is from the area and may have no clue alligators could be just feet off the shoreline, mostly at the theme park like Disney.

Why do you think Disney is already putting up better warning signs? ... they obviously saw their flaw. Their action of instantly changing signs is an indication that they know signage was lacking - that won't look good in court if it goes that far.

Unfortunately, it takes a tragedy to open people's eyes to the obvious. Just like the gorilla incident, there was some negligence on the part of the zoo for having a fence that a 3 year old could get through. Must have been one secure fence if it couldn't hold back a 3 year old . Guess what, the zoo beefed up the fence a day or two after that incident.


No, it's a sign that people were too stupid for the first sign.

Stop beating around the bush. Give me a direct explanation as to why a reasonable person should send their child into a body of water that says "NO SWIMMING".

Should you swim here? NO.

Allowed to swim? NO.

Hey! Forget your warning. I'm going ignore your sign and send my child up in there, because you didn't give me a good enough reason not to swim.


Does Disney need to put signs over the toilets that say "no swimming" if a child drowns in one of those? How about a secondary warning not to drink out of the thing?


A sign that just says "No Swimming" is too ambiguous for a place with alligators on the shoreline. The kid wasn't really 'swimming' ... he was wading in 6 inches of water, so technically he wasn't even 'swimming'.

If Disney or anyone else wants to keep people out of the water then they need signs that say WARNING - STAY OUT OF THE WATER - ALLIGATORS ALONG SHORELINE" or something to that effect ... not some ambiguous sign that says "No Swimming".

Wait and see ... Disney will be found liable in this case.
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
They will chase you if you go out of your way to antagonize them.

Which a darling two year old would of course NEVER do.

I have seen Florida alligators in person and they seem overall quite docile unless and until some prey wanders into easy range. They almost never try to eat while on land, but that likely also depends on how hungry they are.
 
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Originally Posted By: hatt
Looks like American alligators have somehow morphed into saltwater crocodiles.


Obviously, alligators can attack along the shoreline also. Might not be as 'explosive' as a crocodile, but still a dangerous animal that people need to be properly warned about.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: hatt
Looks like American alligators have somehow morphed into saltwater crocodiles.


Obviously, alligators can attack along the shoreline also. Might not be as 'explosive' as a crocodile, but still a dangerous animal that people need to be properly warned about.
Does the sign need to include the amoeba danger? Just as many people died from amoebas from that water as gators.
 
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