Yes, as I said "to pave the way to doing just that". Ie: You're saying the same thing I did.
All the reports say interest in Tesla fading, pictures tell a different story
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Yes, as I said "to pave the way to doing just that". Ie: You're saying the same thing I did.
They're probably only interested to see that the cars THEY make are so much better than Teslas!
Or how to steal the technology.
Or how to steal the technology.
Neither have you.
My experience has been exceptional. I've been an owner since Dec 2018. The cars have been trouble free. When the 12v battery needed swapping, they came out the next morning.
Everyone tells me they're a techology and automation company, yet FSD is crap and the automatic wipers always have a mind of their own. I'd think they'd either be able to handle the basics or really ace the complicated stuff. There's some smart design that's ahead of some and some of the basics were figured out by car companies 20 years ago. Don't get me wrong, I love the car but there's some really dumb things it does that don't make sense, yet I love the interface and how it drives.
That tech stuff is what is supposedly holding the stock high. I heard some expert investor say that Tesla is leaning heavy into automation and thinks the bot thing they're supposedly making is going to revolutionize the world. I don't think there's much truth to that, though I'm obviously not an expert investor that researches all of these crazy tech companies.
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I always speculated Tesla is a technology business, not a auto manufacturer. Tesla business is to patent, license, and sell subscriptions, and residuals from that. Cars currently are a tool for Tesla, but Tesla center of gravity is licensing of proprietary information, on a subscription basis.
I don't think the software is very good personally. The actual UI is good, but occasionally glitches, weird behavior, and the FSD is just atrocious. I would have they would have figured it out by now as a software company.
Now I do think that's their intention to be a software company. I think some details are missing though.
Have you ever considered that you maybe just deal with an above average Tesla service center? Some dealerships bend over backward to help with issues others just tell customers to pound sand. I can see Tesla having the same type of customer service. No I don't have a Tesla but was a lot manager for and independent dealership that purchased and sold a myriad of hybrid and electric vehicles. I had to schedule, detail, and deal with many different dealerships for service. The owner also purchased California only models like the Fiat 500, Toyota Rav 4 ev, and Ford Focus ev. The service center in Cherry Creek and Denver were the only times that nobody answered the phone, they never returned a phone call. Second my boss paid cash in full for a 6 month old model X. It had the full warranty. When the passenger door lock failed The model x wouldn't let you go into drive. Tesla stated in the warranty that "Tesla will cover the entire cost of towing your Tesla Vehicle to our nearest service center. " They refused stating that it was purchased at auction, when the warranty was presented they claimed my boss didn't own the vehicle in full. He showed the title and paperwork but again they refused. Maybe the service centers in Colorado are not as good but they left a bad aspartame taste in my mouth to this day. Tesla treated my boss like garbage. If you look at how many Cybertruck owners were treated poorly it's not an isolated incident. When a YouTube influencer has to tweet (X) musk to get Tesla to fix his now second Cybertruck that isn't repairable after the first one bricked itself that says alot.
I'm not shocked at all. Tesla engineers told musk when he insisted that "radar an lidar are a crutch" and that they are removing it, that accident rates would go up, and they have. Mercedes Benz has level three drivers assistant on the ground now in the USA. Stellantis just announced that they plan on rolling out their own level 3 soon. Honda/Acura have level 3 currently in Japan. It seems like Tesla's lead has dwindled and will continue unless someone really wants to turn things around.
The biggest problem with camera only for regular use of something as simple as adaptive cruise is that if the weather is bad or the windshield gets greasy in low light conditions, it just won’t work. The only time that happened in my VW is if the front distance sensor was completely covered in snow. VW at least felt the car had enough info in most cases by comparing both the front sensor and camera. The Tesla flat out will not work for cruise control at any speed in dense fog.
I can’t say for sure how it behaves in these conditions with FSD. I would never attempt it in anything but perfect conditions for my own piece of mind. I’ve warned many that Tesla has gotten complacent with their approach to automation and FSD and I get laughed at by many. I had my concerns about it before owning the car and while I never planned to really use FSD, the times I have used it confirmed my concerns. I think there are other reasons to own a Tesla, but those that buy them specifically for FSD because they aren’t comfortable driving scare the heck out of me. That makes for a seriously unsafe condition when it really goes wrong. I’ve seen many posts on Reddit about buying Teslas for their elderly family members specifically for FSD.
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Returned to the mall this Friday night. It is 840pm. Mall is quiet, and empty. Except for the Tesla display.
Salesman appears to be writing a sales contract. People checking out the Teslas.
Might be time to be a buyer of TSLA???
Salesman appears to be writing a sales contract. People checking out the Teslas.
Might be time to be a buyer of TSLA???
Interestingly enough fsd and autopilot purchases have gone from between 65-70 percent to about 1 in 7 or 14 percent opting for it. A business analyst mentioned how that's alot of money left on the table on each sale. I'd like to see musk go on trial as I think alot of what he claims isn't "overly optimistic " but fraudulent claims to keep people on the hook.
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A country you have spent a lot of time in......
I find it interesting they have the cars open. Here any car displayed in the mall is locked and usually behind ropes as well.
I had a feeling! The mall looks beautiful like they all do.
Well, don’t use that as a gauge of Tesla car sales!
Here is why!
They love our country, the United States. Heck they love Americans mostly. And as you know, I love it there as well.
So the photos you were showing I would fully expect! I’m sure in the European Union you would not be seeing the same thing.
So anyway, I don’t think that’s a good gauge and I agree that I would expect to see what you are seeing. For many it’s also an aspiration to own a Harley Davidson and they pay more for Harley Davidson‘s over there.
I’m jealous, I would love to have a place there.
well, it wouldn't be the first time the stock market overreacted to something.
When the display is staffed, the vehicles will be open/unlocked.
When the reps/salesmen go home, I can assure you they vehicles will be locked....and possibly velvet roped off.
Sat in Renault 5 and 16 models at a mall.
'Twas my first skewed steering column in the 5. It pointed inboard to clear the front left wheel. The 9 o'clock position of the steering wheel was farther away than the 3 o'clock position.
And the multi configurable rear seats in the 16 were beyond nifty.
Agree.
My thoughts are, thing is, funds have to stay invested in the area that they say they invest. I think they have limited time to hold cash, 30 days or so? when they can pull out cash other than that I think they need to keep 90% invested in the area they say.
I am not sure how correct I am but I do believe it is along that thought process.
With that said, me personally get concerned, we are at sky high multiples in everything but my biggest concern is we built a house of cards. So what happens if the federal budget comes under control and we stop borrowing the 35 TRILLION that we have already.
How much of those trillions built up the economy to make us think things are good?
I dont know but I dont disagree with you, my thought is, not so much overreacting as the funds pulling out and into cash, leaving the small investors stuck, once the market hits bottom then HAVE TO start buying again in that 30day period? Not sure If I am right.
That makes sense. Guess we never have staffed mall displays around here so always locked and roped off.
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