i woke up this morning and had an epiphanous moment; as a serious student of history, the recent killing of the us ambassador to libya reminded me of that moment in time in 1914 when the archiduke ferdinand was assassinated; i guess what i'm saying here is that oil has brought us to having fateful interactions with other cultures; i truly apologize, helen; it seems that oil is so political; it is political on a personal level on bitog and it is political on a global scale; it is hoped that we are all around much longer to respectfully agree and disagree; all the best, everyone.
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BITOG is a great cross cultural ambassador for understanding and appreciating our similarities rather than to point out what might divide us.
I did not see your post, but don't be too hard on yourself...
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I did not see your post, but don't be too hard on yourself...
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In the past it's been coal, iron ore, tea, lumber, gold and silver, and sugar to make rum. If there is a general thread through all of this it is that real democracies generally don't declare war on other democracies. Tyrants, though, often view democracies as easy to push around. In some cases and times, they are right. The United States has always been "slow to anger".
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In my reading and understanding history over the past 100 years or so, we see western culture developing on an industrial basis that has created uses and needs for natural resources that had rather limited uses in the past. One such resource during this period is the exponential uses of petroleum and derivative products. The history of the middle east during this same period of time has been relatively stagnant in industrial development, lacking acceptance, and implementation of innovation. Prior to the west creating a demand for petroleum the oil rich countries of the middle east had little more use for it, than they seem to have for the sands they also own!
In the lifetime of many of us we seem to forget that we have a culture of little changes over the centuries has dominated the middle east. Tribalism was and still is the culture of most of the middle east. A revisit of "Lawrence of Arabia" provides and insight into middle east culture and mindset that persists to this day. Most of the convulsions in the middle east have their origins in resistance to western cultural influence and perceptions of resource exploitation. Many of the middle east cultures are still of the mindset existent during the era of the spice trades wherein their golden goose was eventually killed by their over control of the spice trade. Most of the age of discovery owes itself to western efforts to find another way to the eastern trade routes.
History has a way of repeating itself. While the west seeks to move forward, the east seeks to remain the same--and I believe there in lie the problems.
In the lifetime of many of us we seem to forget that we have a culture of little changes over the centuries has dominated the middle east. Tribalism was and still is the culture of most of the middle east. A revisit of "Lawrence of Arabia" provides and insight into middle east culture and mindset that persists to this day. Most of the convulsions in the middle east have their origins in resistance to western cultural influence and perceptions of resource exploitation. Many of the middle east cultures are still of the mindset existent during the era of the spice trades wherein their golden goose was eventually killed by their over control of the spice trade. Most of the age of discovery owes itself to western efforts to find another way to the eastern trade routes.
History has a way of repeating itself. While the west seeks to move forward, the east seeks to remain the same--and I believe there in lie the problems.
Originally Posted By: tribocessive
i woke up this morning and had an epiphanous moment; as a serious student of history, the recent killing of the us ambassador to libya reminded me of that moment in time in 1914 when the archiduke ferdinand was assassinated; i guess what i'm saying here is that oil has brought us to having fateful interactions with other cultures; i truly apologize, helen; it seems that oil is so political; it is political on a personal level on bitog and it is political on a global scale; it is hoped that we are all around much longer to respectfully agree and disagree; all the best, everyone.
Actually you are not correct, it is our absolute unyielding and irrational support of israel.
Until the establishment of that state the USA had quite good relations with the arabs and muslim nations.
Also the George Washington warned us about
foreign entanglements.
i woke up this morning and had an epiphanous moment; as a serious student of history, the recent killing of the us ambassador to libya reminded me of that moment in time in 1914 when the archiduke ferdinand was assassinated; i guess what i'm saying here is that oil has brought us to having fateful interactions with other cultures; i truly apologize, helen; it seems that oil is so political; it is political on a personal level on bitog and it is political on a global scale; it is hoped that we are all around much longer to respectfully agree and disagree; all the best, everyone.
Actually you are not correct, it is our absolute unyielding and irrational support of israel.
Until the establishment of that state the USA had quite good relations with the arabs and muslim nations.
Also the George Washington warned us about
foreign entanglements.
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Actually you are not correct, it is our absolute unyielding and irrational support of israel.
Until the establishment of that state the USA had quite good relations with the arabs and muslim nations.
That's not true either.
And our support of Israel is not irrational. Some people think if we just let Iran take Israel out all our problems will be solved.....
You really should study history.
Actually you are not correct, it is our absolute unyielding and irrational support of israel.
Until the establishment of that state the USA had quite good relations with the arabs and muslim nations.
That's not true either.
And our support of Israel is not irrational. Some people think if we just let Iran take Israel out all our problems will be solved.....
You really should study history.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Actually you are not correct, it is our absolute unyielding and irrational support of israel.
Until the establishment of that state the USA had quite good relations with the arabs and muslim nations.
That's not true either.
And our support of Israel is not irrational. Some people think if we just let Iran take Israel out all our problems will be solved.....
You really should study history.
History depends of who gets to write the books, NO?
Actually according to some experts that have a LOT more background in the matter it is true.
Don't forget that 95% of those calling themselves
"jews" in Israel are not Shem nor are they semitic. These people are actually Ashkanazi Khazars who claimed to have "converted" to Judaism. The problem with that is that according to the Torah, NON jews CANNOT "convert" to the faith.
The other residents of the Holy Land DO have a legit argurment as to whether or not these people have a right to be occupying that land.
Only >1% of those in Israel are actually descended from the tribe of Judah.
From RT.com
Historian Michael Scheuer, an author of "Through our enemies’ eyes", who worked for the agency for over 20 years till 2004 and at one time was the chief of the CIA’s ‘Bin Laden unit’, says America’s greatest enemy – radical Islam – never existed: neither when Bin Laden was alive, nor now.
Israeli lobby drag America into wars
Actually, “it is America’s relationship with Israel that is causing this war [on Islam]”, and until Americans accept this, “we are not going to defeat this enemy,” the author says.
Michael Scheuer believes it is the Israeli lobby in America that is dragging the US into wars.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Actually you are not correct, it is our absolute unyielding and irrational support of israel.
Until the establishment of that state the USA had quite good relations with the arabs and muslim nations.
That's not true either.
And our support of Israel is not irrational. Some people think if we just let Iran take Israel out all our problems will be solved.....
You really should study history.
History depends of who gets to write the books, NO?
Actually according to some experts that have a LOT more background in the matter it is true.
Don't forget that 95% of those calling themselves
"jews" in Israel are not Shem nor are they semitic. These people are actually Ashkanazi Khazars who claimed to have "converted" to Judaism. The problem with that is that according to the Torah, NON jews CANNOT "convert" to the faith.
The other residents of the Holy Land DO have a legit argurment as to whether or not these people have a right to be occupying that land.
Only >1% of those in Israel are actually descended from the tribe of Judah.
From RT.com
Historian Michael Scheuer, an author of "Through our enemies’ eyes", who worked for the agency for over 20 years till 2004 and at one time was the chief of the CIA’s ‘Bin Laden unit’, says America’s greatest enemy – radical Islam – never existed: neither when Bin Laden was alive, nor now.
Israeli lobby drag America into wars
Actually, “it is America’s relationship with Israel that is causing this war [on Islam]”, and until Americans accept this, “we are not going to defeat this enemy,” the author says.
Michael Scheuer believes it is the Israeli lobby in America that is dragging the US into wars.
Yup, and one of my biggest goals in life it to support people who treat women like dogs, wish to behead anyone who does not believe as they do, and want their citizens to live in mud huts.
Sure!
Sure!
I'm no fan of the muslim culture BUT, the USA does not (should not) police the world's cultures.
These people and their customs (religious and otherwise) have been around many times longer than ours. Plus we have plenty of our own issues.
Again George Washington said it best when he spoke of avoiding foreign entanglements.
It also can't be argued that the Israelis have been killing thousands of innocent Palestinians for many decades now.
Read up on the way the European jews invaded Palestine in the 30s and waged war on the native inhabitants. Yes, they were terrorists.
These people and their customs (religious and otherwise) have been around many times longer than ours. Plus we have plenty of our own issues.
Again George Washington said it best when he spoke of avoiding foreign entanglements.
It also can't be argued that the Israelis have been killing thousands of innocent Palestinians for many decades now.
Read up on the way the European jews invaded Palestine in the 30s and waged war on the native inhabitants. Yes, they were terrorists.
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Listen to what Philip Garaldi a CIA officer has to say about Israel.
Actually you are not correct, it is our absolute unyielding and irrational support of israel.
Until the establishment of that state the USA had quite good relations with the arabs and muslim nations.
Also the George Washington warned us about
foreign entanglements.
George Washington strongly warned us about a TWO party system - avoid it at all costs.
As to the foundation of Israel and USA /Arab relations, you are wrong.
Note the Shah of Iran as a post Israel paradigm..
Until the establishment of that state the USA had quite good relations with the arabs and muslim nations.
Also the George Washington warned us about
foreign entanglements.
George Washington strongly warned us about a TWO party system - avoid it at all costs.
As to the foundation of Israel and USA /Arab relations, you are wrong.
Note the Shah of Iran as a post Israel paradigm..
Man, is this topic toxic.
Quite interesting in the early 60's the media(movies)Arabs were being views as the Arabian nights...lovers as being comical satire.
I believe 1968 was the beginning an ugly process to emotionally rifle the Americans socially in their views on Arabs, Islam and our support for Israel.
I believe 1968 was the beginning an ugly process to emotionally rifle the Americans socially in their views on Arabs, Islam and our support for Israel.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Read up on the way the European jews invaded Palestine in the 30s and waged war on the native inhabitants. Yes, they were terrorists.
After centuries of persecution and pogroms, culminating in the mass genocide of Jews in the 1930s and 40s, who can blame them?
Most European Jews would have gladly moved to anywhere other than Palestine, but other countries were not willing to take them in:
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..the German government was able to state with great pleasure how "astounding" it was that foreign countries criticized Germany for their treatment of the Jews, but none of them wanted to open the doors to them when "the opportunity offered."
Read up on the way the European jews invaded Palestine in the 30s and waged war on the native inhabitants. Yes, they were terrorists.
After centuries of persecution and pogroms, culminating in the mass genocide of Jews in the 1930s and 40s, who can blame them?
Most European Jews would have gladly moved to anywhere other than Palestine, but other countries were not willing to take them in:
Quote:
..the German government was able to state with great pleasure how "astounding" it was that foreign countries criticized Germany for their treatment of the Jews, but none of them wanted to open the doors to them when "the opportunity offered."
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Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
Man, is this topic toxic.
Agreed. Very well said.
Man, is this topic toxic.
Agreed. Very well said.
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