Alchohol/drug addictions

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Anybody have a close family member with problems and or advice on how you dealt with it?
My brother has a problem with drinking, pot, and pills. Family intervention? He will be 51 in May and has been doing stuff since his mid to later teens.

Thanks for your thoughts...........
 
Yep, currently going through this with a family member. YOU need to go to AA or NA meetings to learn some coping skills, and find some support. If your brother is depending upon you for things, (housing, transportation, phone) stop. Addicts are superior manipulators, and will say anything to get you to believe they are, or will, or have changed. They will not change until they are ready, and often it is just a tick past rock bottom when it happens. A brush with death, the law, a jail sentence... something. While interventions make good nighttime TV, if an addict isn't ready for change, an intervention, I M O is not likely to make things better. Encouragement and support for recovery are always necessary, but pointing out the lies, the habit, and dogging the addict aren't going to help. Chemical dependency changes the way the brain works. Once the addict is ready, there needs to be medical intervention to guide the person back to safer ground, or a relapse often occurs. Really, AA or NA for you and your family is the best place to start. I hope it gets better for you, I really do. Things like this can make a family unravel at the seams.
 
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Just like water seeks it's own level...an addict needs to seek his own rock bottom.

Until your family member is himself disgusted with his lifestyle imo, no amount of intervention or treatement will help in any long term way.

Bottom line..it's up to him and him alone what his life will be like going forward. Until he himself wants change, nothing will change.
 
Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Usually it is due to lack of self control


Bingo!

So an addict isn't an addict if the drug use is within his control, or under control? C'mon. Seriously? Often an addict doesn't know how he got to where he is, and will usually say it IS under control.
 
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Originally Posted By: Maximus1966
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Usually it is due to lack of self control


Bingo!


You can't be serious. As mentioned

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Chemical dependency changes the way the brain works.
 
The fact is that NOBODY forced that first drink or drug down that persons throat.

This society is increasingly allowing folks NOT to take PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY for THEIR actions.

An addict is an "addict" because that person WILLFULLY took actions that led to that outcome.
 
I agree with Beanoil. Tough love. Stick by him and help him as you would any family member, but don't be an enabler for his habits if possible. When the inevitable crash to rock bottom happens, be there for him, get him help, and show him you still care for him and want to see him well.
 
Originally Posted By: JoeWGauss
The fact is that NOBODY forced that first drink or drug down that persons throat.

This society is increasingly allowing folks NOT to take PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY for THEIR actions.

An addict is an "addict" because that person WILLFULLY took actions that led to that outcome.


But that has nothing to do with addiction; it is about the path that got one there. Back to the OP: For one of the members of my family, it took the risk of losing everything (e.g. house, job, security clearance) for that person to take action. People telling him things like with an intervention didn't do much
 
Each family member must be committed to not being an enabler. Each one must be able to say " I will help you when you complete a detox/substance abuse program" He/She just saying i have quit is not enough. You have to tell him you will not support/aid in their self destruction. If they are driving impaired, let law enforcement know when they are on the road. Getting caught will bring them closer to bottom and you might save another families life by getting them off the road. After that do not drive them anywhere unless its to the treatment center.
 
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Originally Posted By: JoeWGauss
The fact is that NOBODY forced that first drink or drug down that persons throat.

This society is increasingly allowing folks NOT to take PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY for THEIR actions.

An addict is an "addict" because that person WILLFULLY took actions that led to that outcome.


But that has nothing to do with addiction; it is about the path that got one there. Back to the OP: For one of the members of my family, it took the risk of losing everything (e.g. house, job, security clearance) for that person to take action. People telling him things like with an intervention didn't do much

I understand Joe's point, but respectfully disagree. I do know of a person that had major back surgery done. The Doctors prescribed pain pills, and that person took them. Hey the doc said they were ok right? So 6 months down the road, the docs are prescribing oxycodone and morphine and the person is taking them. Must be ok, the docs are telling me this is what to do right? Cancer patient doses of morphine aren't satisfying this guy, so he self medicates with a little booze too. Pretty soon he is doctor shopping, and getting multiple scripts. Like I said, chemical dependency changes the way you think, and that becomes the norm for them, where sober folks look at the behavior and see what is flawed with the decisions. simple_gifts is right on this one. What Joe describes has nothing to do with the addiction itself, it describes a start to the path that led there. Dealing with addiction has nothing to do with where the first hit came from, and there are times where that first hit is legal and ethical.
 
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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Originally Posted By: JoeWGauss
The fact is that NOBODY forced that first drink or drug down that persons throat.

This society is increasingly allowing folks NOT to take PERSONAL RESPONSBILITY for THEIR actions.

An addict is an "addict" because that person WILLFULLY took actions that led to that outcome.


Bu it is about the path that got one there.


The bottom line is that THAT person TOOK those PRIOR actions that led to where they are today.

They made CHOICES that could have been different.

People need to take the concequences of their choices and actions that result in concequences.

Unless you have an exceptionally low IQ, everyone knows that doctors are NOT infallible . I mean seriously just because a docotr prescribes you pain killers doesn't mean you have to take them. PERSONAL RESPOSIBILITY!
 
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If you think addicts don't suffer the consequences of their actions, you haven't known many/any addicts in your lifetime.

Everyone involved, including the addict suffers the consequences.

No one is disputing your point that it was the original sin that set them on a certain path. But there are many people that can start down the same path and NOT become addicts, remaining social or occasional users. There is scientific irrefutable evidence that an addict is "different" in some ways. They are pre disposed and more prone to addictive behaviour.
 
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The bottom line is that THAT person TOOK those PRIOR actions that led to where they are today.


And enjoy the condemnation of another's 20/20 hind sight.

Any chance you have ever made a poor choice or regretted a decision or wondered "If I had done x not y." No need to answer.

Ok poor decisions led to addiction and that person acknowledges that, now, what to do....
 
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Originally Posted By: MetalSlug
He need to stop or else he be lucky to made to 60. if he dont want stop by himself, only god can help him.


Words of wisdom.
Only the addict can decide when it's time to quit, just as only the felon can decide that he wants to go straight and never do another term in prison.
You cannot rehabilitate either an addict or a felon until they are ready and willing to change.
You can, however, stop enabling their behavior, and simply cut them off.
You can also offer the tools of rehabilitation, which can only be useful to those willing to take them to heart.
To do otherwise is to assist them in continuing a path of self destruction, however much you may care about them.
 
I'm sure there is some government program, that us taxpayers pay for, that can help him. Probably spend thousands of dollars to maybe, and I stress maybe, help him. He'll fall off the wagon, and we'll spend thousands more. He's 51. He's already burned up the best years of his life. He'll figure it out. And if he doesn't, we'll all wish he would have.
Sorry to be harsh, but Iv'e had relatives, and a very close friend in this same boat. I know.
 
Especially if you're enabling the addict (along with family and friends), you might want to consider a real intervention. It sucks, but you become addicted to helping them. It's called co-addiction. Give your bro the option to go to treatment - the salvation army has a wonderful program that's essentially free. It's no sitting on the beach in Malibu type yuppy program - you work. If he won't go, then the standard operating procedure is cutting off all support that enables them. Then it becomes the addicts choice to start helping themselves. You have to make the addiction their problem - by enabling them, they're making it your problem and YOUR choice.

If he's able to be an addict and completely support himself, then it becomes a real hard thing to get them to go straight. Sit down with him and have a long "chat" I'd say. You can either decide to live with him the way he is and still have him in your life, or you give him an ultimatum and cut off ties if he doesn't get clean.

Addiction - been there, done that, and so have many of my family members. I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy.
 
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