the china of 1979 and the china of 2022 are not the same. the world has changed. we are 43 years later.
Aircraft Carriers and hypersonic missiles
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I think it's much different now because China has a much stronger military. They're going to keep taking great risks.
Yes, 43 years have gone by since China earned a bit of military fighting experience. Now they have zero institutional war fighting experience.
Photon torpedoes.
What is the Earth but an island in space?
Well stated sir! Floating egg
Back in the 70s, Admiral Rickover, the “father of nuclear navy,” had to answer the question before the U.S. Senate: “How long would our aircraft carriers survive in a battle against the Russian Navy?” His response caused disillusionment: “Two or three days before they sink, maybe a week if they stay in the harbor.”
By watching it unfold from Peal Harbor.
Rickover was a submarine guy and of course wanted to push funding to that service at the expense of carriers. So take with a grain of salt.
You too can be the strongest military in the world, all you need to do is outspend every single other country on earth, combined! It's all about the money in the end.
Russia went broke that's why their military is now a joke. China, they are probably buying whatever they can and make sure Russia still has enough stuff to share with, and make sure they are still around so it won't be the only enemy on earth if Russia collapse.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/15/mao-offered-kissinger-10-million-chinese-women/
One political analyst friend I talked to in the past was wonder why Mao offered to give US 10M Chinese women. It certainly wasn't a "gift" for sure. He believes that it was a hint that an overpopulated 3rd world country like China back then, could actually overwhelm a 1st world country. It probably wasn't realistic but it wasn't impossible, as Syria refugees (nowhere close to 10M population) have overwhelmed EU in their economy. He thinks Mao was reminding Kissinger that if US mess with China and cause humanitarian crisis, it would probably cause unforeseen consequence and bleed US (the world police) dry. At the time China had migration restriction (you cannot travel outside of hometown or else you won't get food quota to survive, even if you have money), so all it would take is remove some restriction and a flood of migrants would find their way all over the world.
We gave Philippine independence just like Malaysia gave Singapore independence for the exact same reason.
The leaders are always the ones holding the financial power, not the politicians.
I agree... but there are a couple things here. One, the US carriers have several pretty significant, multilayer defenses on board. Two, even though it may appear so, the carrier is not an island. The entire carrier group is designed to support & defend the carrier. This includes multiple air, surface, and submerged detection & weapons systems spread across 30+ ships around the carrier. I'm not saying the carrier is untouchable by any means; I have no clue what the odds for defense against a hypersonic missile are. However, it's not going to be a walk in the park- with things like E2Cs, Aegis, and other systems on watch, they'll still have a heads up and active responses before it actually gets to the carrier. Then as a last defense, CIWS (which is the wet dream of everyone who's ever dreamed of a fully-automatic weapon) and like others have mentioned, the first blow (the missile) will likely bring an appropriately disproportional response from the US, which should quickly adjust China's attitude. I'm not going all-in here to say I'd bet on the carrier's chances, but I'm also not going all-in to say that even if the hypersonic missile was capable of this that China would be stupid enough to try it out.
Remember, not even Hitler's Wunderwaffe were capable of halting the expertise & determination of the American fighting spirit. Unless the Chinese are down with mutually assured destruction, they lose at some point. Period.
CCP / PLA has always made it clear that they cannot win US in a war, and it is always about mutually assured destruction. They promised the world they "will not be the first to use nuke", not that "they will not ever use nuke".
So basically, they will make it a mutually assured destruction, and it is the main reason there is no war right now because it is not good business.
Yes, the economy is probably the only thing that is going get us back on the course of a peaceful world. Putin thought he would take Ukraine in the same way he took Crimea away from Ukraine. Didn’t turn out for him. An invasion attempt in Taiwan would probably end up the same way; a large amount of destruction in Taiwan, but the ships bringing PLA boots would be picked off by missiles fired by USA Aircraft Carrier launched jet fighters.
you have to realise the other side has nukes aswell
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The real reason for Beijing's temper tantrums, about six of these and the PLA can't win anytime soon:
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/15/taiwan-indigenous-submarine/
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/15/taiwan-indigenous-submarine/
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