Aircraft carrier collides with cargo ship? How does this happen?

[Jetronic]

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I get your point maybe explain how a ship was able to make contact with our warship?
I doubt it is supposed to be that easy

Also “vicinity of Port Said” is not an exact location I would think. However I do admit that I wasn’t interested enough to look into it further. As immediately I wondered how another ship was able to get so close.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/air...des-ship-mediterranean-sea/story?id=118787251

the carrier should have yielded, it was showing green lights to the cargo ship. thats how that works, one side of the ship has green lights, the other red. if a ship comes from the side you have green, you yield. warship or not. in the dark they are all just ships.

it's a pretty exact location, it's the exit of the suez canal, the cargo ship, with others was leaving the canal. the canal only has traffic in one direction at a time. the carrier wasn't conducting air operations so should have had AIS turned on and taken extra care crossing ships at anchor and leaving the canal.

there were about 100 cargo ships in a 5 mile radius around the carrier and her escort. If you don't like'm this close, go around Africa, all the space you need.

 

[Jetronic]

The AIS switch on the carrier must have a loose connection in my opinion. It turned on immediatly whe the jolt of the collision happened. Perhaps they had a NAVFAC Maintenance request already submitted that will show up soon... LOL.

Whatever the case, there is little excuse for them not seeing the AIS brodcast from the cargo ship.... It was there. NOT LOL.

No, the destroyer turned on it's AIS, but the carrier not for quite a while. I'm thinking it didn't realise AIS was off.

 

[notharry]

Yes the canal is there to save money and time for sure. the cost of fuel and man hours is large. They charge a hefty fee for its use but If Mr T has his way, We will own it again. There was a documentery on its history that was interesting. Ill see if i can locate it

 

[Jetronic]

Yes the canal is there to save money and time for sure. the cost of fuel and man hours is large. They charge a hefty fee for its use but If Mr T has his way, We will own it again. There was a documentery on its history that was interesting. Ill see if i can locate it

USA never owned the Suez canal, and it will never own the Panama canal again.

 

[notharry]

USA never owned the Suez canal, and it will never own the Panama canal again.

Yes Sorry By bad. I stand corrected... I wouldent think we would want to own the PC. Not our country. Ill leave it for a differant thread

 

[Exhaustgases]

Lets see. About 40 some years ago on a night time cruise in Puget Sound on a 100 ish foot long chartered dinner party ship for my at the time wifes work party, and since I didn't know any of the people, I talked the Captain into letting me see the wheel house.
I really enjoyed the Radar and how he used it to spot drift wood logs and look for other small boats etc.

So the aircraft carrier one of the fastest ships they got, and the massive amount of radar and other electronics like sonar etc etc plus all the people that are supposedly "ON WATCH", ran into or let a huge ship go sight unseen? And allowed a collision?
I think winning the power ball has better odd's than that. Maybe that was party night?
Was it going full throttle at the time?

 

[Jetronic]

Yes Sorry By bad. I stand corrected... I wouldent think we would want to own the PC. Not our country. Ill leave it for a differant thread

Don't worry. We obviously can't talk politics here because it has the tendency to not stay civil. But if it could I would have loved to join that thread.

 

[Jetronic]

Lets see. About 40 some years ago on a night time cruise in Puget Sound on a 100 ish foot long chartered dinner party ship for my at the time wifes work party, and since I didn't know any of the people, I talked the Captain into letting me see the wheel house.
I really enjoyed the Radar and how he used it to spot drift wood logs and look for other small boats etc.

So the aircraft carrier one of the fastest ships they got, and the massive amount of radar and other electronics like sonar etc etc plus all the people that are supposedly "ON WATCH", ran into or let a huge ship go sight unseen? And allowed a collision?
I think winning the power ball has better odd's than that. Maybe that was party night?
Was it going full throttle at the time?

I'm not sure how big the other ships in the area were, but the cargo ship luckily wasn't huge, as cargoships go. But it was very crowded there, so not sure how much help radar was, with a couple hundred tracks on screen, and possibly that one ship obscured by other, bigger ones.

But I do feel that the Navy (of any country really) should be held to a higher standard than merchants.

 

[Exhaustgases]

The dinner ship was spotting drift wood as small as soccer balls, no excuse.

 

[Astro14]

I'm not sure how big the other ships in the area were, but the cargo ship luckily wasn't huge, as cargoships go. But it was very crowded there, so not sure how much help radar was, with a couple hundred tracks on screen, and possibly that one ship obscured by other, bigger ones.

But I do feel that the Navy (of any country really) should be held to a higher standard than merchants.

I completely agree, and if you go back to my very first post on this topic, I said I believe mistakes were made on both bridges.

I don’t want to hide behind the “mistakes happen“ attitude, but the fact is that the US Navy operates nearly 300 ships, around the world, 24-7, and generally does an excellent job of it.

This sort of occurrence is rare, and it will be career ending for many people, including admirals, if in fact, the carrier was at fault.

I am certain that the Navy will hold accountable those who were responsible, and that the basics of seamanship will continue to be a focus area.

 

[Astro14]

Lets see. About 40 some years ago on a night time cruise in Puget Sound on a 100 ish foot long chartered dinner party ship for my at the time wifes work party, and since I didn't know any of the people, I talked the Captain into letting me see the wheel house.
I really enjoyed the Radar and how he used it to spot drift wood logs and look for other small boats etc.

So the aircraft carrier one of the fastest ships they got, and the massive amount of radar and other electronics like sonar etc etc plus all the people that are supposedly "ON WATCH", ran into or let a huge ship go sight unseen? And allowed a collision?
I think winning the power ball has better odd's than that. Maybe that was party night?
Was it going full throttle at the time?

Speed has absolutely nothing to do with it when you are in a crowded water space like the mouth of the Suez.

It’s like saying “A Lamborghini has a top speed far above any other car, how did that Camry back into it in a crowded parking lot?”

I can guarantee it was not going in full throttle. Full speed on a carrier remains a classified matter, but it is unbelievably fast.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Current traffic around P.Said

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

I would have imagined if a cargo ship got within 5 miles of a super carrier it would be dispensed to Davy Jones Locker.

Exactly my thoughts. Would that not be a totally dangerous enough senario to be already "built in" to a USA military vessel's standard operational proceedures that demand some type of evasive moves + defense measures to prevent damage and even possible deaths due to someone with a cargo ship full of tnt!? or worse?
We already know for a fact there is no shortage of lunatics who are brainwashed to hate and try to kill anything they can tie to the USA. So , thru these type of incidents we are simply showing our enemies just how easy they can strike. Stuff like this makes all the work and money China , Russia and our other enemies have used to create Carrier killing weapons nearly a waste if all they got to do is crash into a carrier with a Chineese junk or supposed fishing boat and KABOOM! Of course it will not sink or anything but our service members out there deserve to be protected from every possible attack.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Let's wait for reports on who from the crew had all their social media scrubbed clean like that Blackhawk' pilot, that will tell us more.

I did not catch that story. Of course not a shock at all though. Probably to none of us.

 

[notharry]

I'm not sure how big the other ships in the area were, but the cargo ship luckily wasn't huge, as cargoships go. But it was very crowded there, so not sure how much help radar was, with a couple hundred tracks on screen, and possibly that one ship obscured by other, bigger ones.

But I do feel that the Navy (of any country really) should be held to a higher standard than merchants.

They should be held accountable. They should be transparent. If someone missed something and they were an otherwise competant person, find the problem and fix it. It's doubtfull it wll ever happen again. if they are running fast and loose all the time then they will always run that way. They should be thrown out of the military. I am tired of the standard, of well, some people do what they want, are teflon, and ruin peoples view of what society should view as acceptable.

 

[Dave Hess]

No, the destroyer turned on it's AIS, but the carrier not for quite a while. I'm thinking it didn't realise AIS was off.

I’ve got a much different take on the carrier AIS being off.
The carrier does NOT want any merchant ships or any non US Navy ships knowing their location.

Why is that ?
Very simple explanation.

Because many foreign countries hate the USA and despise our military presence.
The US Navy (not talking global issues / politics) are not their favorite group of people they want to see in that part of the globe.

Any US Navy aircraft carrier with 5000 sailors make them a prime target and sitting duck for groups of people with bad intentions who hate the USA. Imagine 10 speedboats finding the carrier, surrounding it and firing RPGs, it’s a very easy target to attack. Multiple one way suicide missions to hit the carrier.

Folks, this is very basic thinking and strategy to keep the carrier off the grid.

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The commanding officer has to immediately come forward and take 100% full responsibility for this accident.
If not….. he lacks leadership, professionalism and integrity.

Off Topic:
The motto of the USS S. Harry Truman is:
The Buck Stops Here

 

[Dave Hess]

The AIS switch on the carrier must have a loose connection in my opinion. It turned on immediatly whe the jolt of the collision happened. Perhaps they had a NAVFAC Maintenance request already submitted that will show up soon... LOL.

Whatever the case, there is little excuse for them not seeing the AIS brodcast from the cargo ship.... It was there. NOT LOL.

It’s possible the AIS switch had a loose connection…..



The US Navy does NOT want people knowing the location of their carriers, same goes for our nuclear submarine fleet.

USA has surveillance ’cables’ on the bottom of all the 5 ocean floors throughout the globe and they track all Russian submarines. They can even tell the difference between noise from a Russian submarine, group of whales or seismic shifts on ocean floor. Advanced satellites are tracking our enemies.

24/7/365 the USA knows where everything and everyone is at in real-time. No hiding !!!!
We don’t want our enemies to know our location.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_the_oceans

 

[greenjp]

Spent a fair bit of time aboard the bridge of a variety of vessels, AIS on or off the radars still see the ships around and generate tracks. Between that and the ECDIS the crew has excellent situational awareness. AIS on or off almost irrelevant for avoiding collisions.

jeff

 

[nomas]

Spent a fair bit of time aboard the bridge of a variety of vessels, AIS on or off the radars still see the ships around and generate tracks. Between that and the ECDIS the crew has excellent situational awareness. AIS on or off almost irrelevant for avoiding collisions.

jeff

I'm glad somebody said it . Some people were acting like the AIS was the only thing that would have saved them . Turn it off and collisions are imminent .

 

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