Aircraft carrier collides with cargo ship? How does this happen?

[Astro14]

Interesting that the article is "US aircraft carrier collides with cargo ship", not Cargo ship collides with navy aircraft carrier.

I think that speaks more to journalistic accuracy than assignment of fault.

I just saw a picture in a news story about an airplane that had a window problem. The picture was of a 777.

The airplane was a 737.

Which headline n grabs you more? US Aircraft carrier collides with cargo ship - or - Cargo ship collides with US Aircraft carrier?

The Carrier as the lead word is more dramatic - so, they went with that.

 

[spasm3]

I think that speaks more to journalistic accuracy than assignment of fault.

I just saw a picture in a news story about an airplane that had a window problem. The picture was of a 777.

The airplane was a 737.

Which headline n grabs you more? US Aircraft carrier collides with cargo ship - or - Cargo ship collides with US Aircraft carrier?

The Carrier as the lead word is more dramatic - so, they went with that.

Yep, that was my point!

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

The Cole bombing was 25 years ago and seems to me to be completely different than this instance.

I can guarantee you, for members of the Cole, that every day feels like just minutes away from that day. My county VSO is Chief Cliff Moser (ret.), who was the head chief of the medical department on the Cole, which incidentally was part of the battle group I was assigned to on the USS George Washington (CVN-73) during our 2000-2001 Med deployment.

To their credit, one of our local schools puts on a great Veteran’s Day recognition for the local veterans, and Cliff has spoken several times at this event, along with many others. I can tell you that when I’ve been in the chair in his VSO office and we talk about that day, the tears and grief of losing “his” sailors are instantly there and as real today as they were on the day of the attack. There are some wounds that even time does not heal; please do respect the sacrifice that even those who lived have made. Thankfully there was no loss of life in this incident, which is fortunate considering that over 3 million pounds of ships collided here.

http://museumofthesoldier.info/moser.html

 

[dubber09]

Let's wait for reports on who from the crew had all their social media scrubbed clean like that Blackhawk' pilot, that will tell us more.

 

[zzyzzx]

I wonder of the aircraft carrier was a member of a protected group?

 

[nomas]

I think that speaks more to journalistic accuracy than assignment of fault.

I just saw a picture in a news story about an airplane that had a window problem. The picture was of a 777.

The airplane was a 737.

For those of us that don't fly planes , it doesn't really matter .

 

[ka9mnx]

I don't think that ocean going vessels have an "ATC" of sorts but alarms should have been going off.

Most off shore vessels employ an anti collision type system as part of their navigational aids. Even the smallest serious cruising sail boats have them. Mandatory on commercial vessels and optional on pleasure craft.

 

[Pablo]

AC did not broadside ram the cargo ship.

 

[Owen Lucas]

Looking forward to the dash cam, err bridge cam, video.

 

[nomas]

I've watched TV shows and other video of naval vessels in proximity to civilian and even naval vessels of other countries . There's a whole lot of radio traffic , horns , and even flares . It's not just an " oops , didn't see you " .

 

[Tempest1]

Looks like the Navy didn't have their AIS on as they should have... Cargo ship did.


There can be absolutely no excuses for this. Both a flagship carrier and escort missed a 550' cargo ship?

 

[notharry]

Years ago I was in the navy and we were petroling around Bermuta. We were pulling into port so we called for a pilot. He came on board. We continued in and I was in the engine room maintaining the throttle on a single engine naval friget. We were at minimal speed when within seconds we recieved an emergency astern bell. one throttle (the forward steam valve) was being closed while the other (the astern) was being opened by someone else to the steam turbine, in a clammer of arms and elbows... (typically one throttle get closed completely before opening the other) shortly after which we felt a shudder.
It seems that the pilot was new. He misjudged the speed of the vessle. It wasent even windy it was a beautiful sunny day. We rammed another vessle and left a 2 foot gash in both ships. we also rammed the dock causing minor damage.

Stupid, stubborn, Arrogant, Inexperienced, whatever it happens. My guess... both captains were arrogant, which is stupid. I think we know that goes (costa concordia).

 

[Vil_Riker]

AIS turned off on the carrier and the accompanying destroyer. It's a busy area and both the ships were required to have the AIS on. The collision happened at around 10pm local time so was quite dark and visual queues might have been difficult to comprehend first. But the cargo ship started slowing down shortly prior to the collision.

Looks like the US ships ignored the rules and were at fault.

 

[Rand]

Ouch that's going to dent a few careers.

 

[Owen Lucas]

Ouch that's going to dent a few careers.

Demotion to tugboat captain?

 

[Jetronic]

I would have imagined if a cargo ship got within 5 miles of a super carrier it would be dispensed to Davy Jones Locker.

not very likely when you're trying to enter the Suez canal with your carrier.... the carrier was even in or near an anchorage trying to manoeuvre to the front of the line to enter the canal, and hit a ship coming out. The carrier should have been visible on AIS but wasn't. That's not helping their case. They turned AIS on after the collision

 

[Jetronic]

Interesting that the article is "US aircraft carrier collides with cargo ship", not Cargo ship collides with navy aircraft carrier.

That's because it's kinda what happened: the cargo ship was coming out of the suez canal and in the corridor where all ships are going when leaving the canal. The carrier was setting itself up to enter the canal when all cargo ships left.

Think of it as hitting a car that's occupying the intersection and you still have a red light, and you're not running your lights (AIS was off).

 

[Owen Lucas]

Doesn't look too bad.

 

[Pablo]

Doesn't look too bad.

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Bondo, rasp, gray primer - done

 

[Langanobob]

The Navy is very unforgiving. I would expect the CO to be relieved, pending the results of the investigation, of course. The CO is fully, and ultimately, responsible for everything that happens on the ship.

If the officer of the deck, or the helmsman, for example, made a mistake, that is ultimately the fault of the commanding officer, who provided for their training, and qualified them, and then assigned them to perform those critical roles on the ship.

The Commanding Officer on a US Navy ship has ultimate authority, but they also have the ultimate responsibility, and accountability.

Something I learned in the Marines: “You can delegate authority but you can’t delegate responsibility.” The sad part in some of these cases is that it ends otherwise good careers and I believe that many good leaders choose to leave rather than pursue a career for that reason.