Aggressive but polite.

[Pop_Rivit]

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
You're right, but Sometimes the calm and controlled thing doesn't work. After that, you can quit peacefully or let off some steam and tell them how you feel. Drew chose the latter, and I approve.


A sharp tongue is usually controlled by a dull mind.

 

[greenaccord02]

Well, if any one of several others had said they told off their boss I might not have approved, but I know Drew to be a pretty sharp guy. Certainly not dull minded.

 

[TooManyWheels]

Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Well, if any one of several others had said they told off their boss I might not have approved, but I know Drew to be a pretty sharp guy. Certainly not dull minded.


There are many kinds of intelligence. The shame here is that an (apparent, I don't want to say for sure from only remote observation) inability to deal with frustration is causing someone with higher level intellectual skills to have to settle for lower level jobs to keep his sanity. That truly is a waste.

 

[greenaccord02]

If a "lower level" job made me happier than a higher level one (whatever that means) I would jump on it. Money and status isn't everything. I wouldn't want to get paid to "deal with frustration." Life is too short for that mess. You might always look back and think, "I should have told that guy what for, but I never did..." Not Drew. He did it. And I approve.

OK, I'm not going to take this any further off topic and I'll let Drew defend himself if he chooses to.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: TooManyWheels
There are many kinds of intelligence. The shame here is that an (apparent, I don't want to say for sure from only remote observation) inability to deal with frustration is causing someone with higher level intellectual skills to have to settle for lower level jobs to keep his sanity. That truly is a waste.

Agreed.

 

[expat]

Sometimes there are people you just can't get through to, you state your point, but they are just too thick, or stubborn to see it.
In that case, go ahead and just give the guy enough rope to hang himself!
But let other know your objections.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
There's that old thing about sociopaths and upper management.

Does it turn good people into sociopaths or does it attract them and allow quick promotion?


Bingo, they are 6 times over-represented in upper management than the average population...
1) they aspire to those positions, and don't care who they walk through to get there.
2) Selection criteria pick them (and they are picked by similarly minded people).
3) On the rare sometimes, they are forced to disociate into that type to survive.

They consider people as tools to use and abuse as the need sees fit.

Dumb ones abuse their tools, and get through by bullying.

Smart ones keep their chisels sharp through honing them, but are pretty happy back in the home environment of bullying in general.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Vizzy
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Nope. If you're a [censored] tard, I'll tell you right to your face. Told my last "manager" that and was forced to leave.

Most "high ranking people" have more [censored] coming out of the mouths then they do their rear ends.

The thing is I agree totally.

But if you are in the right why not state the fact with tact.One thing I have noticed even in todays modern business world is that still if you state just the facts firmly, in a calm reasoned tone with conviction, many times things will go your way.


That's out of date by about 10 years.

The modern sociopath takes even the most obvious points of criticism as a personal attack, and has to shut down the opposition at all costs...they are NEVER wrong, and NEVER in a group situation.

One even offered an employee that if she countered him again in a meeting, he'd rip her [mammary glands] off.

I [try to, but am increasingly failing at] letting the sociopaths rant in all of their wrongness, and letting them spiral out of all sense of logic and reason...but when they find out they were wrong and ranting, they get even worse.

I'm absolutely sure that Scott Adams works with me.

 

[bigmike]

Shannow is correct.

This is why using their words against them to the fullest satisfaction you can obtain is the goal. Nothing hurts more in debate.

I consistently remember words stated by my superiors to store away for later. These are aces - the "keepers." You play them when only absolutely needed, say at performance reviews or when they start stepping on you.

I've had more than 1 coworker sue for close to a million doing this. All of them have won or settled for large sums. Anytime you are disenfranchised or discriminated against are big keepers.

When I first responded to this thread, I assumed we were talking about sane people. Those do not exist in large numbers when they are superiors, especially in my case working for the state. Many of them are illogical, irrational, and take everything either personal, or they do not care - seemingly sometimes both.

Debating with these people takes calculated risk and a master chess player. I prefer the poker method - fold, fold, fold... all in, instant aggression, win. I have a very good coworker friend who IS a master chess player. It is like watching Mr. Miyagi at how he handles these kinds of people. We hash out alot of scenarios, especially when dealing with multi-agency relations, before deciding on the next move.

I assume many of these people must have awful home and personal lives.