Actual Tesla CyberTruck Towing Test in Cold Weather

[demarpaint]

How have you concluded that current evs are not accepted and will never be fully accepted?

He said never be "fully accepted" imo he's right, you don't have to look any further than this board to see that. I'd say they're partially accepted. I won't mention any names other than myself who won't accept them in their current form. Maybe when they can be charged as fast as I can fill my tank, and give me the same range as my full tank can. He mentioned charge times, and I'll add when the cost to insure them comes in line when insuring a similar in size and price ICE car. In many regions insuring them is much higher than ICE. Maybe then they'll become fully accepted, but even then I think that's a stretch because of the way the transition is being made, and the ridiculous timeline to phase out ICE.

 

[burbguy82]

Huh? I meet or exceed EPA in everything except one if the cars I've owned.

While towing?

 

[Ws6]

While towing?

I was unaware that the EPA had a towing empg. I didn't see it on my window sticker.

 

[Ws6]

I think those who doubt the versatility of future evs are short sighted, the same way some were convinced gasoline engines could never achieve more then 20% thermal efficiency.....40% thermal efficiency Toyota dynamic force. ?

Yes, but combustion engines are just kindof terrible, really. The only drawback to EV is battery technology, which has rapidly advanced regarding form factor etc. and some on chemistry, as well, but comparing an engine to a motor? That's like comparing a rusty spoon to a scalpel.

 

[demarpaint]

Yes, but combustion engines are just kindof terrible, really. The only drawback to EV is battery technology, which has rapidly advanced regarding form factor etc. and some on chemistry, as well, but comparing an engine to a motor? That's like comparing a rusty spoon to a scalpel.

That's your opinion, I'm sure there are people who share your opinion, and others who totally disagree.

 

[JeffKeryk]

That's your opinion, I'm sure there are people who share your opinion, and others who totally disagree.

Gee, ya think?

 

[demarpaint]

Gee, ya think?

Absolutely! In fact I know a few right here on this board.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Absolutely! In fact I know a few right here on this board.

I resemble that remark... Curly Howard.

 

[demarpaint]

I resemble that remark... Curly Howard.

Curly Howard, my favorite.

 

[PandaBear]

Honestly, if you are in the cyber truck for range, you probably would just buy a model 3 instead. I think the target customer base is neither in it for towing long distance or the range.

Most people (I'm sure you are not most people) buy trucks because they like it rather than they need it. I think a lot of the same people are considering CT for the same reason.

 

[Cujet]

In my FL hangar, there is a 1970 VW bus. Sitting for at least a decade. I’d love to say it started right up, but that’s just not so. It took a 12V battery and replacement single barrel carb.

I can’t imagine any EV battery coming back to life after 40 years of use and 10 years of storage in a hot Florida hangar.

My point is that it’s not just reluctance to new technology. There are known downsides to battery power. Not the least of which is true longevity

 

[y_p_w]

In my FL hangar, there is a 1970 VW bus. Sitting for at least a decade. I’d love to say it started right up, but that’s just not so. It took a 12V battery and replacement single barrel carb.

I can’t imagine any EV battery coming back to life after 40 years of use and 10 years of storage in a hot Florida hangar.

My point is that it’s not just reluctance to new technology. There are known downsides to battery power. Not the least of which is true longevity

Good luck with anything that requires use of modern electronics that include flash memory. Including cars. The firmware is going to fade - especially at warmer temperatures if it's not periodically used and refreshed. There's also the possibility that a car continuously used is going to end up with the flash memory failing. The best hope is that the various components can be replaced.

The hope for EV batteries is that replacement costs go down and even the possibility of a different type of battery being retrofit later.

 

[burbguy82]

I was unaware that the EPA had a towing empg. I didn't see it on my window sticker.

You are off point of the portion of conversation you are quoting. No problem, I will clarify.

The statement that was made is that it is unrealistic for EVs to be held to the same standard for reduction in range while towing, (at this time at least). In other words, and I use this loosely:

The Cybertruck roughly had a decrease in range of 75%, more or less, while a ICE truck, towing the same load would see a decrease in range of 25-30%.

EPA does not have a mpg or range for vehicles over 8600 GVWR, you are correct, but they do for under that range, and ICE trucks would see the same decrease as a percentage, again roughly. I never brought up EPA, I was talking real world numbers from my own experiences towing +10000 lbs with a gas truck.

Does that make sense, or do you need a more specific clarification?

 

[Rand]

Pretty sure his Riv isnt the Max range one either. (cant recall TBH)

I can only go about 160 mile in my titan with a 7500 LB boat attached in the mountains here. thats taking a 27 gallon tank down to about 2 gallons.

pretty easy to stash a couple metal gas cans somewhere if needed.

 

[UncleDave]

pretty easy to stash a couple metal gas cans somewhere if needed.

Sure, you can bring fuel.

This is not the equivalent of onboard capacity though.

I certainly did that at time, especially when towing toys/ boats I needed to use the fuel in at the destination.

 

[burbguy82]

This is not the equivalent of onboard capacity though.

Why can't that be part of the comparison? Agreed, on not being the same thing, but why cant an EV have a backup battery?

 

[UncleDave]

Why can't that be part of the comparison? Agreed, on not being the same thing, but why cant an EV have a backup battery?

I don't have a problem with it being part of any comparison.

It's just not the same as onboard capacity unless it's plumbed into the main tank like an aux tank.

 

[burbguy82]

I don't have a problem with it being part of any comparison.

It's just not the same as onboard capacity unless it's plumbed into the main tank like an aux tank.

I get it. Cool.

 

[Ws6]

That's your opinion, I'm sure there are people who share your opinion, and others who totally disagree.

Okay, that's fine, but I'm curious how they'd assert that with data.

 

[Ws6]

You are off point of the portion of conversation you are quoting. No problem, I will clarify.

The statement that was made is that it is unrealistic for EVs to be held to the same standard for reduction in range while towing, (at this time at least). In other words, and I use this loosely:

The Cybertruck roughly had a decrease in range of 75%, more or less, while a ICE truck, towing the same load would see a decrease in range of 25-30%.

EPA does not have a mpg or range for vehicles over 8600 GVWR, you are correct, but they do for under that range, and ICE trucks would see the same decrease as a percentage, again roughly. I never brought up EPA, I was talking real world numbers from my own experiences towing +10000 lbs with a gas truck.

Does that make sense, or do you need a more specific clarification?

I thought that's what you meant but it wasn't clear when I went back to see who I quoted.

Sure, I agree with that, but I stand by MOTORS being better than ENGINES. Energy storage is the issue, so if you want to compare batteries to gas tanks present day, sure, I can agree gas tanks > Batteries at present.