AC Delco E-core filter durability/reliability ???
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Friends don't let friends use e-core oil filters.
Only the cheapest jobber filters are e-cores.
Many here decry the construction of various Fram oil filters, but Fram uses the e-core design only for its cheapest oil filters, which are intended for Walmart TLE and other quick, cheap oil change operators.
Flow isn't an issue with any oil filter and for a maker to claim lower metals contamination as a result of using a plastic center tube is laughable.
The e-core is the cheapest yet oil filter design.
It may be fine in use, but I won't be one of those trying it out.
Only the cheapest jobber filters are e-cores.
Many here decry the construction of various Fram oil filters, but Fram uses the e-core design only for its cheapest oil filters, which are intended for Walmart TLE and other quick, cheap oil change operators.
Flow isn't an issue with any oil filter and for a maker to claim lower metals contamination as a result of using a plastic center tube is laughable.
The e-core is the cheapest yet oil filter design.
It may be fine in use, but I won't be one of those trying it out.
I just received an email from ACDelco, and they said that the Classic filters(metal tube and ends) are transitioning to the ecore, but there were still Classics available in warehouses.
I reckon if you like the Classic, it's probably time to stock up before the stock drys up because apparently they are not being manufactured any more.
I reckon if you like the Classic, it's probably time to stock up before the stock drys up because apparently they are not being manufactured any more.
If you do decide you still want the e-core they are selling them on rockauto for 93 cents a filter on closeout. (champ ph48) I just bought six of them for my 2015 jeep patriot 2.4. Should be fine for 5000 mi oci.
Nothing wrong with the ecore stuff, IMHO.
They just fuse the poly end diskette to the poly in the media. GM uses a lot of them in their AC Delco service stuff. The ecore filters have to pass the same specs as the "classic" ones. ACDelco is always looking to improve their margins, as are all the filter-makers.
FRAM has been using paper end caps in their ExtraGuard for years.
The paper-cap and poly-caps are generally attached to the media with automation, whereas the steel "dish" type end caps everyone has a hard-on for are usually human-hand-assembled & often a little messy. Human-error is probable. Automation generally runs like clock-work.
As long as its made-in-USA, I like it.
They just fuse the poly end diskette to the poly in the media. GM uses a lot of them in their AC Delco service stuff. The ecore filters have to pass the same specs as the "classic" ones. ACDelco is always looking to improve their margins, as are all the filter-makers.
FRAM has been using paper end caps in their ExtraGuard for years.
The paper-cap and poly-caps are generally attached to the media with automation, whereas the steel "dish" type end caps everyone has a hard-on for are usually human-hand-assembled & often a little messy. Human-error is probable. Automation generally runs like clock-work.
As long as its made-in-USA, I like it.
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The Fram end caps are thicker, and seem sturdier than ecore filter end caps. On the Honda Fram made filters, the end caps are even thicker than standard Frams. The ecore end caps are really flimsy when compared to Fram. It's really the only thing I don't like about them.
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Originally Posted By: DudeNiceRide
Nothing wrong with the ecore stuff, IMHO.
They just fuse the poly end diskette to the poly in the media. GM uses a lot of them in their AC Delco service stuff. The ecore filters have to pass the same specs as the "classic" ones. ACDelco is always looking to improve their margins, as are all the filter-makers.
FRAM has been using paper end caps in their ExtraGuard for years.
The paper-cap and poly-caps are generally attached to the media with automation, whereas the steel "dish" type end caps everyone has a hard-on for are usually human-hand-assembled & often a little messy. Human-error is probable. Automation generally runs like clock-work.
As long as its made-in-USA, I like it.
So the Fram end caps have gone from being described as cardboard and now to paper? Really?
Nothing wrong with the ecore stuff, IMHO.
They just fuse the poly end diskette to the poly in the media. GM uses a lot of them in their AC Delco service stuff. The ecore filters have to pass the same specs as the "classic" ones. ACDelco is always looking to improve their margins, as are all the filter-makers.
FRAM has been using paper end caps in their ExtraGuard for years.
The paper-cap and poly-caps are generally attached to the media with automation, whereas the steel "dish" type end caps everyone has a hard-on for are usually human-hand-assembled & often a little messy. Human-error is probable. Automation generally runs like clock-work.
As long as its made-in-USA, I like it.
So the Fram end caps have gone from being described as cardboard and now to paper? Really?
The ecore endcaps are some kinda felt stuff that is often just flopping around. Fram fiber endcaps are stiff and always seem to be really well adhered.
Most here do not object to the ecore because of the endcaps anyway, the real issue with most IMO is a lack of media support that allows media to blow out and go through the huge holes in the plastic center support cage and into the engine. A co-worker of mine lost an engine in just this manner.
Most here do not object to the ecore because of the endcaps anyway, the real issue with most IMO is a lack of media support that allows media to blow out and go through the huge holes in the plastic center support cage and into the engine. A co-worker of mine lost an engine in just this manner.
I don't know when, but Champ did decrease the openings of the center support cage because I have seen both the old and new. The ACDelco PF52E ecore I cut open, because I was curious, was packed slam full of pleats. I think it was 61 total pleats, and the filter media was semi-rigid. Got to agree though that a media blowout seems more likely with the plastic support cage.
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You know those plastic hangers that some with a new pair of socks ? That's the same plastic they use to make the E-core center tube.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
You know those plastic hangers that some with a new pair of socks ? That's the same plastic they use to make the E-core center tube.
If its in an engine oil filter, it better be glass-filled nylon (or better) to survive the oil temp. Should be like a nylon 6 or 66 -- standard material for that kinda' application.
The stuff your socks comes on is likely some variant of polypropylene, PP or PPT. Unless you buy REEEEEEALLY nice socks?!? lol
You know those plastic hangers that some with a new pair of socks ? That's the same plastic they use to make the E-core center tube.
If its in an engine oil filter, it better be glass-filled nylon (or better) to survive the oil temp. Should be like a nylon 6 or 66 -- standard material for that kinda' application.
The stuff your socks comes on is likely some variant of polypropylene, PP or PPT. Unless you buy REEEEEEALLY nice socks?!? lol
Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
You know those plastic hangers that some with a new pair of socks ? That's the same plastic they use to make the E-core center tube.
And how do you know this?
He doesn't, it's just another one of his loads of... that he thinks is going to be funny.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
You know those plastic hangers that some with a new pair of socks ? That's the same plastic they use to make the E-core center tube.
And how do you know this?
He doesn't, it's just another one of his loads of... that he thinks is going to be funny.
Yeah, Merkava blindly guesses all kinds of stuff about the FRAM ultra's and now E CORE filters LOL!
Hmm, wonder why
Amateur comedian!
Originally Posted By: Hessam
keep in mind one of the best oil filters ever made (toyota 90915-20004 filter) was esssentially an ecore design (plastic housing) around a dept media type filter element. I think the Ecore filters are fine. I would have no issues using an ecore filter on any of my trucks.
There are filters today that don't even have an internal structure.. The OEM Toyota Filter for my Tundra is just a paper element with some hardened glue on the top and bottom. There is absolutely no metal or plastic housing.
The issue people have with ecore filters reminds me of the aversion so many people had with the OCOD "paper" end-caps. Now there are hundreds of different style filters being produced without any endcaps.
you are always going to have failures in anything that is mass prodcued, but I'm not sure you can really nail all those failures to poor design/materials.
What makes you say it's the best? Not trying to insult your intelligence I'm just curious
keep in mind one of the best oil filters ever made (toyota 90915-20004 filter) was esssentially an ecore design (plastic housing) around a dept media type filter element. I think the Ecore filters are fine. I would have no issues using an ecore filter on any of my trucks.
There are filters today that don't even have an internal structure.. The OEM Toyota Filter for my Tundra is just a paper element with some hardened glue on the top and bottom. There is absolutely no metal or plastic housing.
The issue people have with ecore filters reminds me of the aversion so many people had with the OCOD "paper" end-caps. Now there are hundreds of different style filters being produced without any endcaps.
you are always going to have failures in anything that is mass prodcued, but I'm not sure you can really nail all those failures to poor design/materials.
What makes you say it's the best? Not trying to insult your intelligence I'm just curious
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