Abnormal data for xW30 from Mobil website for M1

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Originally Posted By: Danh
The VI (IIRC) is a product of a simple calculation of the viscosity at 100c vs 40c. While this is useful information it doesn't really tells how the oil will perform at colder temperatures.

An oil that performs a certain way between 100c and 40c will not necessarily perform the same way between 40c and -20c. So I wouldn't assume that an Mobil 1 5w30 is thinner at winter starting temps than Mobil 1 0w30.

You can easily extrapolate down well below freezing so an oils VI tells one a lot in predicting operational viscosity at non extreme cold starting temp's.
But if you really want to know how thick/thin these oils are relative to each other in terms of actual operational viscosity try them in a car with an oil pressure gauge then you'll know.

As it stands the PDS info is not detailed enough. If the HTHSV was provided to 2 decimal places instead of just one it would be helpful. The 5w30 could have a HTHSV of 3.149 rounded down to 3.1cP and the 0w30 could have a HTHSV of 2.951cP rounded up to 3.0cP. So the real difference in HTHSV could be 0.2 cP which definitely would be reflected in the 0w30 being lighter at all operating temp's despite it's marginally lower VI.

As it stands, we will just have to trust Mobil when it says their AFE 0w30 is a more fuel efficient oil than their 5w30 because for that to be true it must have a significantly lower effective HTHSV not just a 150C but also at 100C although that spec' is not provided. And for those that don't know fuel economy correlates with HTHSV.
 
Mixing 50-50 Mobil 1 0W20 with 0W40 seems to give a good result, thinner at start up and thicker(higher HTHS) at operating temperature.

Especially Walmart now carry Mobil 1 0W40 in 5-qt jug for the same price with other weights.

0W30: Visc@100ºC: 10.9, Visc@40ºC: 62.9, VI: 166, HTHS: 3.0

5W30: Visc@100ºC: 11.0, Visc@40ºC: 61.7, VI: 172, HTHS: 3.1

10W30:Visc@100ºC: 10.1, Visc@40ºC: 63.2, VI: 146, HTHS: 3.0

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0W20: Visc@100ºC: 8.7, Visc@40ºC: 44.8, VI: 173, HTHS: 2.8

0W40: Visc@100ºC: 13.5, Visc@40ºC: 75.0, VI: 185, HTHS: 3.8

Mixed:Visc@100ºC: 10.8, Visc@40ºC: 57.7, VI: 179, HTHS: 3.2
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Mixing 50-50 Mobil 1 0W20 with 0W40 seems to give a good result, thinner at start up and thicker(higher HTHS) at operating temperature.

Especially Walmart now carry Mobil 1 0W40 in 5-qt jug for the same price with other weights.

0W30: Visc@100ºC: 10.9, Visc@40ºC: 62.9, VI: 166, HTHS: 3.0

5W30: Visc@100ºC: 11.0, Visc@40ºC: 61.7, VI: 172, HTHS: 3.1

10W30:Visc@100ºC: 10.1, Visc@40ºC: 63.2, VI: 146, HTHS: 3.0

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0W20: Visc@100ºC: 8.7, Visc@40ºC: 44.8, VI: 173, HTHS: 2.8

0W40: Visc@100ºC: 13.5, Visc@40ºC: 75.0, VI: 185, HTHS: 3.8

Mixed:Visc@100ºC: 10.8, Visc@40ºC: 57.7, VI: 179, HTHS: 3.2



I was actually thinking about trying that for my next oil change. Those are actually empirically-tested numbers for a 1:1 mix I assume?
 
TGMO 0W20 at local Toyota dealers is about $8/qt, I could not get it below $7/qt from any dealer, while the Mobil 1 0W20 at Walmart is around $4.50/qt in 5-qt jug. I have some Mobil 1 0W20 in 5-qt jugs I bought sometimes ago for less than $2/qt after rebate(s).
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
TGMO 0W20 at local Toyota dealers is about $8/qt, I could not get it below $7/qt from any dealer, while the Mobil 1 0W20 at Walmart is around $4.50/qt in 5-qt jug. I have some Mobil 1 0W20 in 5-qt jugs I bought sometimes ago for less than $2/qt after rebate(s).

Yes I know pricing is strange.
Fortunately Toyota Canada keeps the price low at $5.65/L or even cheaper if you have your local Toyota dealer fill up some empty oil jugs for you as my local dealer will for $4.50/L (TGMO is supplied in bulk to all dealers now).
The regular price of Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy is $11/L!! Although it often goes on sale for 25% off. Still TGMO is the best 0W-20 value in Canada.
 
Originally Posted By: AP9
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Mixing 50-50 Mobil 1 0W20 with 0W40 seems to give a good result, thinner at start up and thicker(higher HTHS) at operating temperature.

Especially Walmart now carry Mobil 1 0W40 in 5-qt jug for the same price with other weights.

0W30: Visc@100ºC: 10.9, Visc@40ºC: 62.9, VI: 166, HTHS: 3.0

5W30: Visc@100ºC: 11.0, Visc@40ºC: 61.7, VI: 172, HTHS: 3.1

10W30:Visc@100ºC: 10.1, Visc@40ºC: 63.2, VI: 146, HTHS: 3.0

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0W20: Visc@100ºC: 8.7, Visc@40ºC: 44.8, VI: 173, HTHS: 2.8

0W40: Visc@100ºC: 13.5, Visc@40ºC: 75.0, VI: 185, HTHS: 3.8

Mixed:Visc@100ºC: 10.8, Visc@40ºC: 57.7, VI: 179, HTHS: 3.2



I was actually thinking about trying that for my next oil change. Those are actually empirically-tested numbers for a 1:1 mix I assume?


Those would be calculated values, not tested.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: AP9
HTSS_TR said:
Those would be calculated values, not tested.

That's true, and for serious blenders I always recommend having an oil pressure and oil temp' gauge installed so that you know precisely the operational viscosity of the oil in the sump even if you're just changing brands. I blend based on actual OP not so much a calculated mix in advance although one needs to make an initial approximation. As a result, when I try a new oil or oil blend I only fill the sump to the minimum level initially so that I have room to add either a heavier or lighter oil to fine tune the operational viscosity to what I want.

Having said that, viscosity calculators are very good at predicting the resulting KV40, KV100 and even HTHSV of a blend.
In the following TGMO/Mobil 1 0W-40 blend the calculated KV100 value was within 0.5% of the lab tested VOA figure:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/caterham-blend-mobil-0w40-sm-tgmo-0w20-sn.198118/
 
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