A plea from my Electric Company to Conserve Power

[brianl703]

Wasn't referring specifically to water and sewer more the roads/etc services in the comment I quoted.

In Virginia, developers build roads for their subdivision. They have to meet certain standards before VDOT (who maintains almost all roads in Virginia except for some towns, all cities, and some counties) will accept them for maintenance.

But the 300-home subdivision off of a 2-lane country road is typical in Virginia.

 

[pghvolvo]

I wondered about this last year in Texas. They started the rolling blackouts and demand went up, because like you said, as soon as it comes back on everyone says to heck with this and sets the T-stat to 80.

I need to get my Tesla charged or laundry done or get dinner in the oven before the next rolling black out hits our area, Don't these people understand human nature?

 

[Skippy722]

Well - my thermostat is still on 60°F - and flannel + T shirt is all I need …
So, think I’ll pour a glass and check when this got locked in the morning

“It's 11 outside. That's 32 with a jacket and 64 if I open this Crown Apple bottle.” -post a friend shared on Facebook

 

[dlundblad]

The power company is hosing us! We sit in the dark,don't have ac,heat with a fireplace and propane and my bill.is still $400 a month.

Ouch.

 

[dlundblad]

AEP had a similar request here. I have no problems with being asked to conserve power and am happy to do so.

It’s just funny this happens during the push for electric vehicles.

 

[demarpaint]

And the powers that be are pushing real hard for all EV's. LOL Good luck with that.

 

[PWMDMD]

Deregulation of electric utilities was a terrible idea. It can take 5 to 10 years to plan and build new generation facilities. In the old days when electric utilities were regulated, they would apply for a "certificate of need". Upon approval, the utility had great assurance that its investment in that unit would receive a fair and adequate percentage rate of return. With deregulation, earnings on any investment depends on the supply and demand for electricity and the operating cost. This makes the entire planning and investment process more risky. Investors avoid risks, so they avoid those investments.

I could write a book on the harm done to our economy by electric industry deregulation. In fact, maybe I will. I am a retired attorney/engineer whose career involved the regulation of public utility companies.

Bingo! Also, the federal/state government isn’t always bad and like most things in life it has its place in our lives in moderation.

I think large corporations and to a degree some states have proven over and over when it comes to spending money to do “the right thing” many times they choose to be cheap even as the scream about the virtues of deregulation and the efficiency of the private sector. Now here’s the funny part. They choose cheap knowing the federal government will likely bail them out anyway so why not avoid these emergency situations in the first place.

I’d buy your book…

 

[PWMDMD]

And the powers that be are pushing real hard for all EV's. LOL Good luck with that.

My power company here in the communist/socialist state of Taxachsetts hasn’t contacted me about my electric usage. I’m current sitting here in CT and no problems with electricity here. The problem isn’t on the demand side - it’s on the supply side in certain states that have not kept their infrastructure up-to-date.

 

[Rand]

@Chris142
If I lived where you are a heat pump would probably do.

Here in NE ohio its almost convincing.... not that I'd run out and buy one but maybe when this natural gas furnace dies.

I have gas nothing except furnace.
connection fees for year run 500$
gas consumption is around 180$-250$ depending on the severity of winter

Even if my 4 winter electric bills doubled it would still be cheaper if they tripled it would be around the same cost as now.... house is 1200sqft including the bonus room upstairs with knee walls.

Gas is an incredible bargain if you use it though. I wanted to go gas water heater, gas dryer, and gas stove... but that didnt happen.
The connection fee is terribly high for low use including 0 use for 6 or 7 months.

Propane OTOH is 5-6x the cost last time I figured it out which would make a heat pump look very enticing.

 

[dlundblad]

@Chris142
If I lived where you are a heat pump would probably do.

Here in NE ohio its almost convincing.... not that I'd run out and buy one but maybe when this natural gas furnace dies.

I have gas nothing except furnace.
connection fees for year run 500$
gas consumption is around 180$-250$ depending on the severity of winter

Even if my 4 winter electric bills doubled it would still be cheaper if they tripled it would be around the same cost as now.... house is 1200sqft including the bonus room upstairs with knee walls.

Gas is an incredible bargain if you use it though. I wanted to go gas water heater, gas dryer, and gas stove... but that didnt happen.
The connection fee is terribly high for low use including 0 use for 6 or 7 months.

Propane OTOH is 5-6x the cost last time I figured it out which would make a heat pump look very enticing.

Mom and dad had one installed that is good for something like -10*F. I’ll ask them today how it did the last few days. Their propane usage will in theory be zero.

No idea on propane costs right now. 5-6x higher is new to me. Crazy.

 

[Delta]

Got the same kind of email from West Penn Power (First Energy) the other day since we were experiencing 3° overnight lows and high winds. I don't use much electricity anyways, so yea. I have been going through oil pretty quick though!

 

[Speedy3861]

It would seem that even the most idiotic, stupid and moronic of the powers to be would understand that if you are going to change to a new system of energy delivery, you've got to have the complete new infrastructure in place before you attempt to make the transition. Just remember, these are the same congenital idiots that ran our exit from Afghanistan, doesn't take a real genius to set the proper sequence: civilians out first, then military support supplies and equipment, THEN the military. Even as an old retired LEO, I could figure that one out.

 

[nomas]

It would seem that even the most idiotic, stupid and moronic of the powers to be would understand that if you are going to change to a new system of energy delivery, you've got to have the complete new infrastructure in place before you attempt to make the transition. Just remember, these are the same congenital idiots that ran our exit from Afghanistan, doesn't take a real genius to set the proper sequence: civilians out first, then military support supplies and equipment, THEN the military. Even as an old retired LEO, I could figure that one out.

Ok . I'm confused . What " new system of energy delivery " are you talking about ?

 

[PWMDMD]

What about all the virtue signaling and hundreds of billions of OUR money that they’re forcibly directing to “green” energy to cut down on CO2? They’re ignoring historical fact that in reality, CO2 levels have never been lower than they are right now, and that in reality, water vapor, not CO2, is responsible for 95% of increased temperatures.

I’m just sick of their scams that are sold with Marx’s recycled lies. The end result will be the same; the masses will be enslaved under their ideology and millions will needlessly die.

And I’m tired of people making up their own “truth.” Do you really believe what you wrote?

 

[PWMDMD]

What about all the virtue signaling and hundreds of billions of OUR money that they’re forcibly directing to “green” energy to cut down on CO2? They’re ignoring historical fact that in reality, CO2 levels have never been lower than they are right now, and that in reality, water vapor, not CO2, is responsible for 95% of increased temperatures.

I’m just sick of their scams that are sold with Marx’s recycled lies. The end result will be the same; the masses will be enslaved under their ideology and millions will needlessly die.

Raw data…

https://gml.noaa.gov/webdata/ccgg/trends/co2/co2_mm_mlo.txt

 

[PWMDMD]

You don’t understand what’s happening with temperature and water vapor. While water vapor does have a greenhouse effect it is controlled by temperature which is controlled by CO2.

ACS Advocacy Workshops - American Chemical Society

American Chemical Society: Chemistry for Life.

www.acs.org

The water vapor lie is an “old” falsehood that’s been around for awhile.

7 Answers to Climate Contrarian Nonsense - Scientific American

Evidence for human interference with Earth’s climate continues to accumulate

perma.cc

 

[nomas]

I thought this was a bash the power company thread ...

 

[PWMDMD]

I thought this was a bash the power company thread ...

How can any of us have an honest conversation about any of this when people just make up “their truths”? People can hate green energy all they want but hate it for valid reasons and not because you just decided to make **** up. It’s pure and utter nonsense.

 

[Speedy3861]

Ok . I'm confused . What " new system of energy delivery " are you talking about ?

The proposed and highly politicized "green" system of Solar and wind power, that can never deliver the 24/7/365 needs of our present population. Even China is busily building coal plants. The only, long-term solution is nuclear and or fission power. I won't even get into the economic/ecological ramifications of sourcing/ disposal/ politics of the batteries necessary for an EV vehicle changeover. We are one of the lowest carbon-emission countries in the world, yet one of the most productive. Effective and responsible use of fossil fuels is the key, the first domino that was tipped starting the present state of chaos was the cancelation of the XL pipeline.

 

[nomas]

The proposed and highly politicized "green" system of Solar and wind power, that can never deliver the 24/7/365 needs of our present population. Even China is busily building coal plants. The only, long-term solution is nuclear and or fission power. I won't even get into the economic/ecological ramifications of sourcing/ disposal/ politics of the batteries necessary for an EV vehicle changeover. We are one of the lowest carbon-emission countries in the world, yet one of the most productive. Effective and responsible use of fossil fuels is the key, the first domino that was tipped starting the present state of chaos was the cancelation of the XL pipeline.

So you're talking about generation , not actual delivery . I gotcha .