I've looked into that as well ALS; I read somehere that the number one degree of incoming FBI recruits is accounting.
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Drew, As a Navy Officer and a Naval Aviator I have thoroughly enjoyed my career. The Navy has a program called aviation duty officers which work in the aviation maintenance and test and development field. Just an option.
You metioned going OCS after enlisting, that is a tough route, no guarantees. There are plenty of Navy enlisted who have degrees, some tried to get into the Officer program and could not due to a plethora of reasons mainly, Needs of the Navy. If you want to be an Officer start of right away.
You metioned going OCS after enlisting, that is a tough route, no guarantees. There are plenty of Navy enlisted who have degrees, some tried to get into the Officer program and could not due to a plethora of reasons mainly, Needs of the Navy. If you want to be an Officer start of right away.
Is that what you do Z? Are you at Lackland?quote:
Originally posted by Last_Z:
Drew,
Enlist as a 2T1X1, Vehicle Operator/Dispatcher and get stationed at Lackland. You'll be doing convoys in no time!
EDIT: Oh yeah.....tell us what you really want to do and we'll give you some advice.
I really appreciate the help guys!
Good advice. Similar with the Air Force, if you enlist and think you'll get into OCS later, it's probably a pipe dream.
Similar with furthering your education the recruiters tell you about. Kinda hard to do when your in a third world country and working 12 hour shifts.
If I ventured a guess and it's only a guess, if you joined the USAF right now without any written guaranteed programs you'd probably end up in Security Police, Communications, or general administrative.
Another word, promotion is not based on performance of an individual. It has much to do with the "career field" you happen to be in. The number of stripes a guy has (hence pay grade) does not reflect his intelligence or performance. Some career fields just don't let you advance, while others make it easier. This is an area where you must choose wisely or just get lucky.
Don't get stuck in a job (AFSC/MOS) with limited opportunity for advancement. Check this out. It's somewhat quota based.
All I'm saying is just don't think you can rise in rank (and paycheck) just because you are smart and work hard. That a part of it, but it's also very AFSC/MOS based. Choose wisely.
[ July 15, 2005, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: haley10 ]
So there's not many opurtunities right now in aircraft maintinence type stuff?
Right now the push is for the Army, they need people on the ground. The Navy and Air Force are looking to lose people to pay for the Army plus up.
Not knocking recruiters but some of those guys will sell you anything to get you in. Even if they put something in writing, if they are not have the authority to guarantee something then you could be out of luck. Once they have you they have you. Very little recourse. Officer entry requirements are tougher to meet and there is less, if you sign up I will promise you this.
Does you school have a ROTC unit attached to it? If it does go talk to them, they might be able to give you real deal of what billets people are getting.
If you really want to get out of your comfort zone then go Marine!! Everyone trains to be a grunt even the Officer office types. Everyone in the Marine Corps is grunt first then Pilot, Engineer, Supply Corps second.
Not knocking recruiters but some of those guys will sell you anything to get you in. Even if they put something in writing, if they are not have the authority to guarantee something then you could be out of luck. Once they have you they have you. Very little recourse. Officer entry requirements are tougher to meet and there is less, if you sign up I will promise you this.
Does you school have a ROTC unit attached to it? If it does go talk to them, they might be able to give you real deal of what billets people are getting.
If you really want to get out of your comfort zone then go Marine!! Everyone trains to be a grunt even the Officer office types. Everyone in the Marine Corps is grunt first then Pilot, Engineer, Supply Corps second.
I actually have quite a few fellow Marines that have degrees ranging from mathematics to buisness management that are enlisted (not commissioned). They do get frustrated sometimes working with us "dummies" sometimes, but in general, they signed up to be enlisted for thier own reasons, not because of money or thier education. (don't take that the wrong way)
After all - Marines are a breed apart.
After all - Marines are a breed apart.
So there's not many opurtunities right now in aircraft maintinence type stuff ?
Maintenance has the most people of all Air Force squadrons. Think about it.....it takes 1 person to fly an A-10, F-16, F-15 or F-117, but it takes a ton of people to get that jet in the air and to have it 'Code 1' ready to go.
That includes: Crew chiefs, avionics, electronic warfare/radar jamming, jet engines, hydraulics, aircraft electricians, air frame, weapons and munitions, fuel systems.....etc, etc.
Maintenance has the most people of all Air Force squadrons. Think about it.....it takes 1 person to fly an A-10, F-16, F-15 or F-117, but it takes a ton of people to get that jet in the air and to have it 'Code 1' ready to go.
That includes: Crew chiefs, avionics, electronic warfare/radar jamming, jet engines, hydraulics, aircraft electricians, air frame, weapons and munitions, fuel systems.....etc, etc.
There might well be. Back when I joined, there was a written guarantee program for this AFSC. I'd check out their web-site or call to find out for sure. I'd say there "is" opportunity to get into this if it's what you think you want. Make sure it's an official program they are running and not some recruiter bulljive.
What all services got rid of was the military pay function, which is performed by Defense Finance Accounting Service.
The Army still has a Finance Branch, and, small as it is, you may have an opportunity to go to the front lines. There are finance teams that go forward with Brigade Combat Teams when they are deployed to pay bills that get accrued before the war theater becomes fully developed. Finance Branch is becoming more comptroller/budget oriented, so you will also have the opportunity to work in fun places like lthe Pentagon.
PM me if you would like more info on Finance Branch. I am an old former personnel officer who works closely with the Finance Sch at Ft Jackson. I can hook you up with some folks at the school who can give you the full scoop on what it's like to be in Finance Br (enlisted or officer) today.
The Army still has a Finance Branch, and, small as it is, you may have an opportunity to go to the front lines. There are finance teams that go forward with Brigade Combat Teams when they are deployed to pay bills that get accrued before the war theater becomes fully developed. Finance Branch is becoming more comptroller/budget oriented, so you will also have the opportunity to work in fun places like lthe Pentagon.
PM me if you would like more info on Finance Branch. I am an old former personnel officer who works closely with the Finance Sch at Ft Jackson. I can hook you up with some folks at the school who can give you the full scoop on what it's like to be in Finance Br (enlisted or officer) today.
With an MBA in finance, I have a similar background to yours. After being commissioned through Air Force ROTC, I served as an auditor with the Air Force Audit Agency, Andrews Air Force Base, MD. It gave me a chance to get involved with maintenance & supply, civil engineering, non-appropriated funded activities, personnel, and the Presidential aircraft (89th MAW). Many auditors used the opportunity to prepare to sit for the CPA. I used my experience in the Air Force to become a management consultant with KPMG, when my tour was up.
My career advice for you is to become either a doctor, lawyer, or CPA. These are the professional career paths. Everything else is second class, at best. My son didn't like that advice for years, until he decided on his own to become a lawyer. During law school he got his Masters in Accounting. After that he got his LLM from Georgetown University in securities law. He now works for the SEC and loves it. Becoming a CPA is the cheapest way for you to become a professional. A CPA is worth more in the business world than an MBA, any day of the week.
Learn to pay yourself first (by saving 10 to 20% of your gross pay in a blue chip growth and income fund), live beneath your means, and continue to enjoy working on your cars yourself. I retired early by following this advice and now have plenty of time to work on my cars, what I enjoy doing most.
[ July 16, 2005, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: TxGreaseMonkey ]
My career advice for you is to become either a doctor, lawyer, or CPA. These are the professional career paths. Everything else is second class, at best. My son didn't like that advice for years, until he decided on his own to become a lawyer. During law school he got his Masters in Accounting. After that he got his LLM from Georgetown University in securities law. He now works for the SEC and loves it. Becoming a CPA is the cheapest way for you to become a professional. A CPA is worth more in the business world than an MBA, any day of the week.
Learn to pay yourself first (by saving 10 to 20% of your gross pay in a blue chip growth and income fund), live beneath your means, and continue to enjoy working on your cars yourself. I retired early by following this advice and now have plenty of time to work on my cars, what I enjoy doing most.
[ July 16, 2005, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: TxGreaseMonkey ]
LOL! I'm sure architects and professional engineers would disagree.
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