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Originally Posted By: buster
I HATE IT when people say "just get any job". Easier said than done!
Been there done that Buster. I'm on my 2nd "career" and FAR from what I did the first 20 years of my life.
Took a job in a TOTALLY different area that paid 1/3 of what I was making less than 14 months earlier. Over 20 years later I'm still making LESS than what I made back in the late 80s.
Applied for everything. Well over 100 resumes and the same number of just plain apps. Heard so many times that "I'm afraid to hire you since you made so much and this job only pays $x. You'll be unhappy because of the pay within 6 months."
So, trust me when I say "just get a job, ANY one" I'm speaking FROM experience. Not talking just to hear myself.
And I'm about 1000% happier now than I ever was in my last field. The way it's looking I may be out of another job by the end of the year since this economy is getting worst so I'll again do what I did if I have to.
Bill
I HATE IT when people say "just get any job". Easier said than done!
Been there done that Buster. I'm on my 2nd "career" and FAR from what I did the first 20 years of my life.
Took a job in a TOTALLY different area that paid 1/3 of what I was making less than 14 months earlier. Over 20 years later I'm still making LESS than what I made back in the late 80s.
Applied for everything. Well over 100 resumes and the same number of just plain apps. Heard so many times that "I'm afraid to hire you since you made so much and this job only pays $x. You'll be unhappy because of the pay within 6 months."
So, trust me when I say "just get a job, ANY one" I'm speaking FROM experience. Not talking just to hear myself.
And I'm about 1000% happier now than I ever was in my last field. The way it's looking I may be out of another job by the end of the year since this economy is getting worst so I'll again do what I did if I have to.
Bill
Originally Posted By: buster
I HATE IT when people say "just get any job". Easier said than done!
Well you know buster, we are ALL supposed to be SUPERMAN.
You know, superhumans who are capable of finding (or creating) something out of NOTHING!!
Heck, even NO credit, and NO ONE lending ANY cash should not stop (or even slow) anyone from starting their own business out of NOTHING even today, in THIS business environment, don't you know??
I HATE IT when people say "just get any job". Easier said than done!
Well you know buster, we are ALL supposed to be SUPERMAN.
You know, superhumans who are capable of finding (or creating) something out of NOTHING!!
Heck, even NO credit, and NO ONE lending ANY cash should not stop (or even slow) anyone from starting their own business out of NOTHING even today, in THIS business environment, don't you know??
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: buster
I HATE IT when people say "just get any job". Easier said than done!
Well you know buster, we are ALL supposed to be SUPERMAN.
You know, superhumans who are capable of finding (or creating) something out of NOTHING!!
Heck, even NO credit, and NO ONE lending ANY cash should not stop (or even slow) anyone from starting their own business out of NOTHING even today, in THIS business environment, don't you know??
Well, how about creating something WITHOUT credit. Any time you are in debt you are already 1.5 feet into the grave.
Back in the 80s there was plenty of credit. With double digit interest rates. Guess that would be better? Really helped back then.
There are plenty of folks out there who have lost their jobs and are working doing anything. I payed a guy who lost his job making $70k and now he is going door to door hauling garbage out of peoples yards with a old rusted out 1/2ton truck that he got for $600.
He made $250 for taking a load of dirt (really here its clay but utah clay is called dirt) out of here. Took him about 3-4 hours, a shovel and wheelbarrow and he was done.
You can complain, whine and wring your hands. Or you can get with the program and at least try harder.
If you are depending on SOMEONE GIVING you money to start a business sadly you'll end up like most of them, in debt and out of business.
Start slowly and you'll have something that will last. This guy I payed the $250 said that he is planning on doing gardening during the summer and snow removal for winter. So far since he lost his job, he has been able to pay off some big bills and still live.
Is it bad? You bet and its getting worst. I'll most likely be out of work by the end of the year. What will I do? Don't know, maybe drive a truck? Bus? Who knows. But I will do something.
Please I mean NO disrespect, but it has been worst. Not in our time but our Grandparents had it much worst. And they made it fine with out all the garbage coming out of the spout.
Hopefully some people in certain positions in this country can get a clue. (and that is as close to politics its going to get)
Bill
Originally Posted By: buster
I HATE IT when people say "just get any job". Easier said than done!
Well you know buster, we are ALL supposed to be SUPERMAN.
You know, superhumans who are capable of finding (or creating) something out of NOTHING!!
Heck, even NO credit, and NO ONE lending ANY cash should not stop (or even slow) anyone from starting their own business out of NOTHING even today, in THIS business environment, don't you know??
Well, how about creating something WITHOUT credit. Any time you are in debt you are already 1.5 feet into the grave.
Back in the 80s there was plenty of credit. With double digit interest rates. Guess that would be better? Really helped back then.
There are plenty of folks out there who have lost their jobs and are working doing anything. I payed a guy who lost his job making $70k and now he is going door to door hauling garbage out of peoples yards with a old rusted out 1/2ton truck that he got for $600.
He made $250 for taking a load of dirt (really here its clay but utah clay is called dirt) out of here. Took him about 3-4 hours, a shovel and wheelbarrow and he was done.
You can complain, whine and wring your hands. Or you can get with the program and at least try harder.
If you are depending on SOMEONE GIVING you money to start a business sadly you'll end up like most of them, in debt and out of business.
Start slowly and you'll have something that will last. This guy I payed the $250 said that he is planning on doing gardening during the summer and snow removal for winter. So far since he lost his job, he has been able to pay off some big bills and still live.
Is it bad? You bet and its getting worst. I'll most likely be out of work by the end of the year. What will I do? Don't know, maybe drive a truck? Bus? Who knows. But I will do something.
Please I mean NO disrespect, but it has been worst. Not in our time but our Grandparents had it much worst. And they made it fine with out all the garbage coming out of the spout.
Hopefully some people in certain positions in this country can get a clue. (and that is as close to politics its going to get)
Bill
I have a bunch of relatives still working for GE. If you find a job on their website that you are qualified for, I can ask them to send your resume to the hiring manager for that particular position/business. If you apply online at the GE website for a full-time job your application goes into a folder with hundreds of other applications. When a current GE employee refers 'talent' (known as a referral) your application goes directly to that hiring manager.
To apply for various GE Internships:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1755523/
Good luck for those who are looking for work, I hope this helps.
BTW, I forgot to mention I did field service for GE Healthcare for 11 years and the benefits are great.
To apply for various GE Internships:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1755523/
Good luck for those who are looking for work, I hope this helps.
BTW, I forgot to mention I did field service for GE Healthcare for 11 years and the benefits are great.
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Originally Posted By: buster
It's REALLY bad out there.
is it or is it the people? I cannot find enough qualified people to support what I do, and if it is because it is a tehnical field, then perhaps folks should have laid off the beers and done something besides the typical A&S degree in college.
And skilled/unskilled labor? A friends sister does hiring in a Hershey plant - they can't get people to stay longer than the paycheck they need to keep the lights on. Folks run from the application process when asked to submit to a drug test. What's with that? To some level it almost seems like people as a whole are asking to ship jobs overseas.
I bet if the OP's friend showed himself as just qualified enough, there would be plenty of jobs. Skilled, smart folks can find work if for no other reason than that they are smart and resourceful. Maybe not the job they want, perhaps not glamourous or at the right pay level, but there is work to be done.
One good thing about the "recession" is that a lot of the mexicans went back... Less competition for cheap labor at the home depot parking lot...
It's REALLY bad out there.
is it or is it the people? I cannot find enough qualified people to support what I do, and if it is because it is a tehnical field, then perhaps folks should have laid off the beers and done something besides the typical A&S degree in college.
And skilled/unskilled labor? A friends sister does hiring in a Hershey plant - they can't get people to stay longer than the paycheck they need to keep the lights on. Folks run from the application process when asked to submit to a drug test. What's with that? To some level it almost seems like people as a whole are asking to ship jobs overseas.
I bet if the OP's friend showed himself as just qualified enough, there would be plenty of jobs. Skilled, smart folks can find work if for no other reason than that they are smart and resourceful. Maybe not the job they want, perhaps not glamourous or at the right pay level, but there is work to be done.
One good thing about the "recession" is that a lot of the mexicans went back... Less competition for cheap labor at the home depot parking lot...
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I have a bunch of relatives still working for GE. If you find a job on their website that you are qualified for, I can ask them to send your resume to the hiring manager for that particular position/business. If you apply online at the GE website for a full-time job your application goes into a folder with hundreds of other applications. When a current GE employee refers 'talent' (known as a referral) your application goes directly to that hiring manager.
To apply for various GE Internships:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1755523/
Good luck for those who are looking for work, I hope this helps.
BTW, I forgot to mention I did field service for GE Healthcare for 11 years and the benefits are great.
LT4 Vette- I may take you up on that offer. I'm studying electrical engineering, about to enter my (hopefully) last year in the fall. I need an internship for the summer (it's a requirement for graduation). I haven't been able to find anything so far. One question though-- where are these jobs located? I need to know where the jobs are located before I apply for them. I really need something in CT. Working out of state unfortunately isn't really an option.
I have a bunch of relatives still working for GE. If you find a job on their website that you are qualified for, I can ask them to send your resume to the hiring manager for that particular position/business. If you apply online at the GE website for a full-time job your application goes into a folder with hundreds of other applications. When a current GE employee refers 'talent' (known as a referral) your application goes directly to that hiring manager.
To apply for various GE Internships:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1755523/
Good luck for those who are looking for work, I hope this helps.
BTW, I forgot to mention I did field service for GE Healthcare for 11 years and the benefits are great.
LT4 Vette- I may take you up on that offer. I'm studying electrical engineering, about to enter my (hopefully) last year in the fall. I need an internship for the summer (it's a requirement for graduation). I haven't been able to find anything so far. One question though-- where are these jobs located? I need to know where the jobs are located before I apply for them. I really need something in CT. Working out of state unfortunately isn't really an option.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
If Bill doesn't agree with your post he just deletes it. Anyway a person will have plenty of time to look for any job while applying for unemployment and after it has ran out.
No, if YOU type something BYPASSING the censor and then a Mod goes in and changes it (like I did) and then you think your cleaver and change it back to the original words (again by passing the censor) the Mod (me) is going to take it off the board.
Notice you STILL have posting privileges. (for now) Posting what you did should get you an vacation but I was being nice.
You were notified why the post went bye bye. Instead of PMing me your go ahead and make a post that is not truthful.
Since you decided to make it public I'm going to reply publicly.
Bill
If Bill doesn't agree with your post he just deletes it. Anyway a person will have plenty of time to look for any job while applying for unemployment and after it has ran out.
No, if YOU type something BYPASSING the censor and then a Mod goes in and changes it (like I did) and then you think your cleaver and change it back to the original words (again by passing the censor) the Mod (me) is going to take it off the board.
Notice you STILL have posting privileges. (for now) Posting what you did should get you an vacation but I was being nice.
You were notified why the post went bye bye. Instead of PMing me your go ahead and make a post that is not truthful.
Since you decided to make it public I'm going to reply publicly.
Bill
Bill, your better than I would be. Id not but up with it and give em a nice long vacation. I commend you for your wonderful service.
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You can complain, whine and wring your hands. Or you can get with the program and at least try harder.
The complaint, Bill, is that those who tend to profess mastery in this advice are conspicuously lacking in need for it. There's also some foolish implied "success" in the offering.
You can be as resourceful and as motivated as you can be and still fail.
It's as simple as 100 jobs for 10k people. No motivation in existence can "void" 9900 jobs no matter how ingenious or motivated 9900 of them are.
That sorta "advice" is more like a punitive propaganda pep talk. It implies that you are indeed a loser if you don't prevail ..even if you're in a 100% no win scenario.
You can complain, whine and wring your hands. Or you can get with the program and at least try harder.
The complaint, Bill, is that those who tend to profess mastery in this advice are conspicuously lacking in need for it. There's also some foolish implied "success" in the offering.
You can be as resourceful and as motivated as you can be and still fail.
It's as simple as 100 jobs for 10k people. No motivation in existence can "void" 9900 jobs no matter how ingenious or motivated 9900 of them are.
That sorta "advice" is more like a punitive propaganda pep talk. It implies that you are indeed a loser if you don't prevail ..even if you're in a 100% no win scenario.
I have a degree in Economics from Rutgers. I worked for Bloomberg for 8 years. Was laid off in December of 2008. I have not found a full time job with benefits yet. I've had nothing but part time work with a family business, UPS and now Real Estate. It's awful out there and it depends on what you do.
This idea that people just want to collect unemployment and lay around is only partially true. I can't stand the broad sweeping generalizations out there that everyone that collects UE benefits is lazy. UE benefits does hold back the recovery in a way, but this is an unusual circumstance. This is the worst recession since the 1930's, or early 80's.
I have applied for so many positions across the board, most of which I'm over qualified for. I was rejected from Lowes, Home Depot...you name it. I'm 33 years old and in direct competition with college graduates and people that have less skills/education.
I don't have a CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) or (MBA) so I'm at a real disadvantage. Sorry I don't have engineering degree, but in hindsight I probably should have chosen something that would have been more stable. Hindsight is 20/20 and who would have though the economy would have turned to be this bad?
Personally, I'd rather see our gov. bail out it's citizens than more corporate welfare or bailing the corrupt private banking cartel that does nothing but drain wealth from the working class so they can speculate with it. Casino capitalism at play. If this country would Nationalize the Fed, and gov. would spend money on productive goods and services, there would be less of an issue, especially regarding inflation. The system has failed and it will continue to fail until we see more Public Bankings, state and National.
I have always had a job since I was 15 years old. Worked 20 hours a week while @ college. I now know why people get discouraged from looking for work. It's mentally draining and can really be depressing. Of course some people abuse the system. Humans are lazy by nature. It's human nature to not want to work. That doesn't mean everyone is like that.
This idea that people just want to collect unemployment and lay around is only partially true. I can't stand the broad sweeping generalizations out there that everyone that collects UE benefits is lazy. UE benefits does hold back the recovery in a way, but this is an unusual circumstance. This is the worst recession since the 1930's, or early 80's.
I have applied for so many positions across the board, most of which I'm over qualified for. I was rejected from Lowes, Home Depot...you name it. I'm 33 years old and in direct competition with college graduates and people that have less skills/education.
I don't have a CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) or (MBA) so I'm at a real disadvantage. Sorry I don't have engineering degree, but in hindsight I probably should have chosen something that would have been more stable. Hindsight is 20/20 and who would have though the economy would have turned to be this bad?
Personally, I'd rather see our gov. bail out it's citizens than more corporate welfare or bailing the corrupt private banking cartel that does nothing but drain wealth from the working class so they can speculate with it. Casino capitalism at play. If this country would Nationalize the Fed, and gov. would spend money on productive goods and services, there would be less of an issue, especially regarding inflation. The system has failed and it will continue to fail until we see more Public Bankings, state and National.
I have always had a job since I was 15 years old. Worked 20 hours a week while @ college. I now know why people get discouraged from looking for work. It's mentally draining and can really be depressing. Of course some people abuse the system. Humans are lazy by nature. It's human nature to not want to work. That doesn't mean everyone is like that.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
If Bill doesn't agree with your post he just deletes it. Anyway a person will have plenty of time to look for any job while applying for unemployment and after it has ran out.
No, if YOU type something BYPASSING the censor and then a Mod goes in and changes it (like I did) and then you think your cleaver and change it back to the original words (again by passing the censor) the Mod (me) is going to take it off the board.
Notice you STILL have posting privileges. (for now) Posting what you did should get you an vacation but I was being nice.
You were notified why the post went bye bye. Instead of PMing me your go ahead and make a post that is not truthful.
Since you decided to make it public I'm going to reply publicly.
Bill
I don't know what you are talking about in the private message and that's why I went public. I absolutely did not bypass the censor. I edited my post to add content and I sure don't recall editing any censor words. If you are talking about the "a-" (and that's the way I originally typed it), that is the only word I can think of that would've been censored, but it wasn't when I posted as I recall. So I don't know what this "bypassing the censor" is all about.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
If Bill doesn't agree with your post he just deletes it. Anyway a person will have plenty of time to look for any job while applying for unemployment and after it has ran out.
No, if YOU type something BYPASSING the censor and then a Mod goes in and changes it (like I did) and then you think your cleaver and change it back to the original words (again by passing the censor) the Mod (me) is going to take it off the board.
Notice you STILL have posting privileges. (for now) Posting what you did should get you an vacation but I was being nice.
You were notified why the post went bye bye. Instead of PMing me your go ahead and make a post that is not truthful.
Since you decided to make it public I'm going to reply publicly.
Bill
I don't know what you are talking about in the private message and that's why I went public. I absolutely did not bypass the censor. I edited my post to add content and I sure don't recall editing any censor words. If you are talking about the "a-" (and that's the way I originally typed it), that is the only word I can think of that would've been censored, but it wasn't when I posted as I recall. So I don't know what this "bypassing the censor" is all about.
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Anyways, I don't want to people to think he is lazy. He works hard for his family. And he has been trying. May not be the brightest guy, but a very good man.
Work is darn near impossible to find here in MI. I should know, I've been looking for a better job that will allow me to go back to school for my masters. (won't do loans) I don't need to make 70k, I'd be happy with a 40k one. I can do without life's "extras". I've applied like crazy, but to no avail. So I can understand what he is going through...
Work is darn near impossible to find here in MI. I should know, I've been looking for a better job that will allow me to go back to school for my masters. (won't do loans) I don't need to make 70k, I'd be happy with a 40k one. I can do without life's "extras". I've applied like crazy, but to no avail. So I can understand what he is going through...
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I have a bunch of relatives still working for GE. If you find a job on their website that you are qualified for, I can ask them to send your resume to the hiring manager for that particular position/business. If you apply online at the GE website for a full-time job your application goes into a folder with hundreds of other applications. When a current GE employee refers 'talent' (known as a referral) your application goes directly to that hiring manager.
To apply for various GE Internships:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1755523/
Good luck for those who are looking for work, I hope this helps.
BTW, I forgot to mention I did field service for GE Healthcare for 11 years and the benefits are great.
And I'm hoping that they add some more positions here too...I've been following their website, and nothing I can apply for, yet...
I have a bunch of relatives still working for GE. If you find a job on their website that you are qualified for, I can ask them to send your resume to the hiring manager for that particular position/business. If you apply online at the GE website for a full-time job your application goes into a folder with hundreds of other applications. When a current GE employee refers 'talent' (known as a referral) your application goes directly to that hiring manager.
To apply for various GE Internships:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1755523/
Good luck for those who are looking for work, I hope this helps.
BTW, I forgot to mention I did field service for GE Healthcare for 11 years and the benefits are great.
And I'm hoping that they add some more positions here too...I've been following their website, and nothing I can apply for, yet...
What your friend needs to do is move to the DC area and apply for a FedGov job. Lots of them in this area.
Originally Posted By: buster
I don't have a CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) or (MBA) so I'm at a real disadvantage. Sorry I don't have engineering degree, but in hindsight I probably should have chosen something that would have been more stable. Hindsight is 20/20 and who would have though the economy would have turned to be this bad?
I got a couple of graduate degrees (including an MBA) and it's no picnic for ppl like me either.
I don't have a CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) or (MBA) so I'm at a real disadvantage. Sorry I don't have engineering degree, but in hindsight I probably should have chosen something that would have been more stable. Hindsight is 20/20 and who would have though the economy would have turned to be this bad?
I got a couple of graduate degrees (including an MBA) and it's no picnic for ppl like me either.
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I've been in the same boat. There are times where nobody wants to hire (and pay for) an overqualified person. Yet, when I do land a job (during good times), the graduate degrees are welcomed as the mark of a professional. This is the first time that I'm still working in a downturn.
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