A farewell to ICE

Brons2 said:
Well the Navigator in my signature has been having transmission problems. Thought about trading it in but ultimately I sold it to my brother in law who has a used car lot in the area. He gave me a very fair price considering the issues with the vehicle, and there were multiple things I kept kicking the can down the road on besides the transmission.

Had no car the week before Christmas but I was definitely on the lookout for something. Spent a lot of time on Autotempest and Leasehackr, along with some other car sites and some local dealer sites. Was hoping for a good deal on a BEV, but might have accepted a hybrid.

Then a deal popped up that I could not refuse on Leasehackr. A low mileage lease on a 2024 F150 Lightning XLT Standard battery for less than $300/mo through a broker. MSRP of $65,950 with only the first lease payment due at signing. It seemed to be too absurd to be real at first, but everything checked out and it's now in my driveway.

I ended up having it shipped to my location for $375 extra, just wasn't practical to go to a dealer 4+ hours away on the week of Christmas. It showed up at 5:15 on Christmas Eve at my door, 100% charged to boot.

I love this truck. I'm 6'7" 300 lbs and this is the most comfortable vehicle I've ever owned. It's missing a few niceties that the higher trim levels have like BlueCruise and the 15" screen but I couldn't possibly care less, there is still plenty of tech. It's not as fast as the versions with the larger battery but I don't care about that either, it is fast enough that it will peel out on all four wheels at low speeds if you floor it. It will put you seriously back in your seat if you want it to. It's also at the same time very quiet at any forward speed, almost serene. I took my parents to the airport yesterday and they both commented on how quiet the cabin is.

The efficiency is not great compared to other EVs, it's hard to get much above 2.3 mi/KWH. But compared to the 13mpg I was getting in my Navigator, it's really not bad, especially at our electricity prices in the 10-12 cent per KWH range. A bonus is that it seems to charge faster on standard 120V than our Mach-E does, so far, that's the only charging that it's had.

It does feel bigger than the Navigator when driving it, which I wasn't expecting, but is not really a big deal in practice. Just sometimes it takes more than one cut to park it. I'm sure with time that I'll get more used to it.

I can't really see ever going back to ICE for my daily driver. It's been a great journey since I was 16 until now (50 something) with ICE cars, but we love our EVs and our use cases don't require the ability to fuel with gasoline.

I would like to have a car for weekend use and cruising that was ICE, but it's not a high priority at the moment, retirement goals I guess.

I'll post some pics but I need to edit out the EXIF location data first.

Also look for a post in the For Sale section, I will be selling off my oil stash.
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You make a very good case for the economics of leasing.
You also carefully considered your use case and found that a swanky EV pickup would work just fine for you.
I wonder how long 120V charging is going to be acceptable to you as a now two EV family?
 
fdcg27 said:
You make a very good case for the economics of leasing.
You also carefully considered your use case and found that a swanky EV pickup would work just fine for you.
I wonder how long 120V charging is going to be acceptable to you as a now two EV family?
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I wouldn't have made it more than a few days on 120V now that I only have EVs unless I rotated the cars I took. I wouldn't have been able to drive it daily charging 30-40 miles a night to drive 80 miles a day. I do drive a lot more than the average driver does though. I went from 7-8k miles a year to about 20k miles a year for the last few years and I do it on call.
 
fdcg27 said:
You make a very good case for the economics of leasing.
You also carefully considered your use case and found that a swanky EV pickup would work just fine for you.
I wonder how long 120V charging is going to be acceptable to you as a now two EV family?
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If you are considering an EV, or any vehicle for that matter, make sure you know what you are getting into. Big picture people!
By far, the majority of EV owners who go back to ICE do so because of charging issues.

I know of a few owners who do not charge at home, but they are outliers in the big scheme of things.
I ask perspective EV customers, "How ya gonna charge? Do you have 240V available? Can your service panel accept a dedicated 240V circuit?"
 
fdcg27 said:
You make a very good case for the economics of leasing.
You also carefully considered your use case and found that a swanky EV pickup would work just fine for you.
I wonder how long 120V charging is going to be acceptable to you as a now two EV family?
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My wife goes into town much more often than I do, I can put it on 240 when she is gone, although I'm not sure I can close the garage door. Guess I can sit on the tailgate with my laptop and work.

But yeah that said the main outside electrical box is conveniently located to put another 14-50 in, so I may do that.
 
Brons2 - it sounds like you have really done your homework and made a great choice. I have never considered leasing but in this case it sounds really good; especially considering how fast EV technology is evolving and you have zero concerns about battery life. Every situation is unique but in your case an EV makes sense. Where I live in BC, Canada we are faced with gasoline prices almost double the $2.50 per usg you posted plus cheaper electricity in the range of 0.04 to 0.07 usd/kWh, off peak, makes some sort of EV very attractive. That’s why I am getting my feet wet with a Prius PHEV.
 
srfdude said:
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Actually my utility does have a time of day program for nighttime charging. I just don't know with the AC usage 6 months of the year if it actually makes sense. We run the AC at 72 all summer long and live in Central Texas. Paying more in the daytime to get cheaper charging at night may not make sense.
 
Snagglefoot said:
I like the 2.3 miles per kWhr. People need to get used to the kWhr designation. After all it’s in their monthly electricity bill. Ultimately you can calculate miles per dollar, just as you can with gasoline. Then you can compare the two.
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Most people really can't perform that kind of calculation. The power purchased is at least 15% more than the cockpit display. Even more so in winter or if using a 120V charge cord. Purchasing 30% more power than the display indicates is not unheard of.

Take the 12c per kWh, add in all additional fees/taxes/charges, along with tiered rates (12c for the first 750 and 22c for each subsequent kWh, or night v day rates) and the 'per kWh' cost fails to track evenly with consumption.
 
Cujet said:
Most people really can't perform that kind of calculation. The power purchased is at least 15% more than the cockpit display. Even more so in winter or if using a 120V charge cord. Purchasing 30% more power than the display indicates is not unheard of.

Take the 12c per kWh, add in all additional fees/taxes/charges, along with tiered rates (12c for the first 750 and 22c for each subsequent kWh, or night v day rates) and the 'per kWh' cost fails to track evenly with consumption.
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I still struggle with actually paying attention to what the efficiency numbers mean. I know how it breaks down to figure my cost which is why I bought the car in the first place, but it doesn't compute seeing the raw numbers the way MPG does yet. I'll get there eventually having two EVs.
 
Torrid said:
I still struggle with actually paying attention to what the efficiency numbers mean. I know how it breaks down to figure my cost which is why I bought the car in the first place, but it doesn't compute seeing the raw numbers the way MPG does yet. I'll get there eventually having two EVs.
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Certainly one does not have to make it complicated. After a while, you’ll find what works for you, ie: what type of chargers you use, what time of day works best for you, what’s your cost structure from your utility. Only charges that are related to the number of kWhr you use are valid. Any fixed charges are not valid as you would have had electrical service to your house regardless if you charged an EV or not. ( unless they had some sort of fixed charge for people who were home charging an EV.). In most cases home charging an EV blows the doors off a equivalent gasoline burning vehicle.
 
mva said:
Brons2 - it sounds like you have really done your homework and made a great choice. I have never considered leasing but in this case it sounds really good; especially considering how fast EV technology is evolving and you have zero concerns about battery life. Every situation is unique but in your case an EV makes sense. Where I live in BC, Canada we are faced with gasoline prices almost double the $2.50 per usg you posted plus cheaper electricity in the range of 0.04 to 0.07 usd/kWh, off peak, makes some sort of EV very attractive. That’s why I am getting my feet wet with a Prius PHEV.
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Thanks for bringing that up. For anyone interested, time of day charging became available this year in British Columbia. Current normal rates for the two tiers mentioned in the attached article are about 7 cents US per kWh for the first 1300 kWh in a two month period, then about 10 cents US per kWh for amounts over 1300 kWh in a two month period. The rate drops back after the two month period and the consumption number is re- zeroed for the next two month period. I haven’t confirmed the numbers in the article and there are certain unknown assumptions stated. The number in the article is in Canadian currency. The time of day billing is totally optional at this time and and can be activated by the consumer if they thought it would benefit them. EV night time charging is probably the greatest reason to do this.

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For a lease dummy, what happens at the end of it besides turning up with the truck?
People are charging their Fords and some others at Tesla chargers. How much do those charge in your low cost electricity area?
 
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