A farewell to ICE

Most people really can't perform that kind of calculation. The power purchased is at least 15% more than the cockpit display. Even more so in winter or if using a 120V charge cord. Purchasing 30% more power than the display indicates is not unheard of.

Take the 12c per kWh, add in all additional fees/taxes/charges, along with tiered rates (12c for the first 750 and 22c for each subsequent kWh, or night v day rates) and the 'per kWh' cost fails to track evenly with consumption.
That is including all fees and charges in my case. I divide the total bottom line dollar amount by kwh used. It's not the base rate and then with a bunch of charges on top.

The problem with getting the actual power draw numbers is that you have to buy an expensive EVSE that gives exact numbers. I mean I guess if you really must know and money is no object, that's fine, but I'm too cheap for that. The EVSEs that I have are working fine for my needs and buying an expensive one that is more or less just for vanity so I can flex on online forums, seems superfluous. Maybe if I had solar I would care more. Who knows.

I do own an $11 Kill-A-Watt that could be used with the 120v charger but it's a point in time only, it doesn't keep logs.
 
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That is including all fees and charges in my case. I divide the total bottom line dollar amount by kwh used. It's not the base rate and then with a bunch of charges on top.

The problem with getting the actual power draw numbers is that you have to buy an expensive EVSE that gives exact numbers. I mean I guess if you really must know and money is no object, that's fine, but I'm too cheap for that. The EVSEs that I have are working fine for my needs and buying an expensive one that is more or less just for vanity so I can flex on online forums, seems superfluous. Maybe if I had solar I would care more. Who knows.

I do own an $11 Kill-A-Watt that could be used with the 120v charger but it's a point in time only, it doesn't keep logs.
My EVSE displays total power drawn. I was surprised by that because most don’t even have screens. Who knows how accurate it is though. I’ve never paid that much attention to it. As far as I’m concerned my power bill shows me how much I’m saving over pumping gas.
 
For a lease dummy, what happens at the end of it besides turning up with the truck?
People are charging their Fords and some others at Tesla chargers. How much do those charge in your low cost electricity area?
At the end of the lease I can buy the lease out or pay the $395 disposition fee to give it back. I will almost certainly do the latter, for $299 a month and at this point in the EV game, I like it enough to have it for 2 years, but I'm hoping there's better capabilities out there in the marketplace at the end of the lease, like faster charging and a later version of BlueCruise - on the 2025 Mach-Es they are going to new hardware and BlueCruise 1.5 for example. (This truck, because it is an XLT, does not have BlueCriuse and I am really missing it compared to my wife's Mach-E). Barring any of that, the buyout on the lease (in the $40s) will almost certainly be higher than the market value of the truck at the end of the lease, so there would be no financial reason to excercise the buyout. If they wanted to negiotiate a market value purchase of the truck at that time, it might be a consideration, but an excercise of a buyout per the terms written on the contract, I'm 99.999% sure won't happen.

I've only tried using a V4 Tesla Supercharger once just for kicks, in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. It just happened to be in our route of travel so we stopped in, mainly for my personal curiosity versus using Electrify America/EVgo/etc. We were on our way out of the country flying out of DFW, so I didn't really note how much it cost. I also used Plug and Charge, as opposed to turning the charger on through the Tesla app, so, Ford tacked on $3 or so on top of the cost. I don't have the CCS to NACS adapter, so, without that I can only use the very latest (V4) Superchargers that have the adapter built in. I don't have any of those V4s anywhere near my house, or between my house and work.

Using a V4 once, I can say Tesla Superchargers are not my first choice because Ford EVs don't display the charging rate on the car screen, and no Superchargers have screens at all. So you really have no way of knowing what your charge rate is without tapping into some kind of OBD2 data, which I see people doing on YouTube, but I haven't purchased an ELM327 adapter for my Ford EVs nor do I plan to. And it's pretty important to know your charge rate, because it directly impacts how long you will sit at a charger and if you are getting the optimal rate for your vehicle and so forth.

Additionally I could not get the adapter loose from the V4 Supercharger, but my wife did it quite easily, maybe I was going a little too gorilla on it, not sure.

Maybe if I go on a long trip through remote areas where Tesla Superchargers are the best option, I'd reconsider the ELM327 adapter and get more down into the data. I'm sure my wife would find my geeking out annoying though lol.
 
As far as I’m concerned my power bill shows me how much I’m saving over pumping gas.
Exactly. With our Mach-E, I can see our electrical consumption has gone up about $30 per month, but my wife was paying $100-$160 per month for gas over the prior year.

Not sure how much more I will consume with the Lighning, but before the transmission went sideways on the Navigator, I was using 2 tanks almost every month which was $120-$150 per month depending on gas prices. I had a month within the last year that I put 3 tanks in and that cost almost $200 that month. When gas was super high in 2022, I paid over $100 a couple of times to fill up the Navigator.
 
Using a V4 once, I can say Tesla Superchargers are not my first choice because Ford EVs don't display the charging rate on the car screen, and no Superchargers have screens at all. So you really have no way of knowing what your charge rate is without tapping into some kind of OBD2 data, which I see people doing on YouTube, but I haven't purchased an ELM327 adapter for my Ford EVs nor do I plan to. And it's pretty important to know your charge rate, because it directly impacts how long you will sit at a charger and if you are getting the optimal rate for your vehicle and so forth.

After all these years and they don't tell you the kw you are charging at on the screen in your car? Wow, that's lame, I thought Ford would have fixed that in an update by now.
 
Here is a super simple chart for calculation cents per mile for ice vehicles using mpg gallon and cost per gallon for fuel. Enjoy.

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Nice. Well I looked at the total consumption since delivery, the dealer reset both trip odometers apparently when I looked at them. I'm averaging 2.1 miles per kWh overall since delivery. Perhaps of interest to the data, I took a 120 mile highway round trip yesterday and drove 80 most of the way there. (We were late to the church we were going to that is not our usual church). At 11c per kWh, I'm averaging 5.23 cents per mile energy cost. Ignoring the capital costs of both, if I had gotten a 35mpg hybrid like a Sienna van, it would have cost 7.1 cents per mile. The Navigator's cost per mile was around 20 cents at 13.3 mpg and $2.50 per gallon.

It would take a hybrid making better than 45mpg to beat my Lightning energy cost at $2.50 a gallon, at least taking the data at face value and not taking charging losses into consideration. Of course, I'm not ever going to buy a small hybrid like a Prius because I am tall. I rented a 2017 Camry with 32K on Turo a couple of years back and it was pretty good on legroom and headroom, but I have to lower myself into the car a fair amount. The Lightning is very comfortable for me to get into. I was able to average 58mpg with the Turo Camry driving around Seattle and Whidbey island at fairly low speeds, but I'm not sure I could replicate that in Texas at the higher speeds we drive at, plus I did not use AC in the Puget Sound area.

I see all Camry's are hybrid now for 2025, but even on an LE it cost more to lease a Camry than the Lightning's lease payments are. There is a Toyota dealer on Leasehackr and I looked at his posts. I did look at some used Camry Hybrids for purchase but the value retention on those would have made the loan payments higher than the lease on the Lightning, plus, I'd probably be bored with it after 4 years anyway.

Yes, I know I'm probably the only person on the planet who's cross shopped a hybrid Camry with an F150. But anyway.
 
After all these years and they don't tell you the kw you are charging at on the screen in your car? Wow, that's lame, I thought Ford would have fixed that in an update by now.
Common complaint with Ford EV owners. It is lame. I forgot, you can see it in the app, but that's not nearly as good. And I'm usually doing something else when I'm charging, like going to the bathroom, getting lunch, or catching up on my social media feed. We don't DCFC very often anyway, so it's not a dealbreaker for us. It definitely makes Superchargers less desirable though.
 
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