'99 Boxster - Possibly overheated for 30 minutes

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Hi all,

My father owns a '99 Boxster with a bit over 50k miles on it. He puts about 2-4k a year on it, so I imagine some of the rubber bits are rotting out due to lack of use.

Anyway, he called me yesterday after taking a drive out to Lancaster with his wife. He said that he had looked down while driving back from Lancaster and found the temperature needle buried in the red and the check engine light on.

He continued to drive and pulled over at the nearest gas station. He said he didn't see any oil on the dipstick and proceeded to add 4 quarts of oil (this car has a 9-10 quart sump). He said smoke was coming out of the dipstick tube, which I said was not completely abnormal on a car that was just stopped after a long drive.

He then proceeded to drive it home, with the check engine light still on and the needle buried in the red the whole time.

Total driving time that he knows of with the temperature gauge all the way in the red: 30 minutes.

I'm at a complete loss at this point. I would think the engine would have a catastrophic failure long before 30 minutes if it was operating that hot. I think one of the following happened:

1. Best case scenario: A sensor failed, giving an obscene temperature reading and my father overfilled the crankcase significantly (unless, since I think oil would've been bubbling out the dipstick from adding 4 quarts).

2. Head gasket failure: No oil left in his garage, but the car started eating oil on the drive out there. But he doesn't report any blue smoke, just a general "smell of oil".

3. Oil return feed line failure - I think this runs over the top of the engine...would've dumped oil which immediately burned off. Could've been a long-term, slow thing which wouldn't have left a puddle of oil.

Anyway, I'm posting this here but I'm wondering: Is there any way that engine could be ok if it had overheated on the highway for 30 minutes? I imagine the cool air of going 55 would help keep it from grenading, but I can't imagine that wouldn't warp the head.

Joe
 
Need more info. Was the car actually down 4 qts of oil (unclear from your post)? If so, how many miles were driven between when it was full to when it was down 4 qts.?

The post talks about oil but what about coolant? How is the coolant level? Has it lost any?

I would normally say this is due to a cracked expansion tank or leaky expansion tank cap or failed expansion tank bleeder valve. The cracked tank is a weak spot and almost guaranteed to happen once over the life of the car. Usually you find a puddle of coolant on the ground behind the right rear wheel or a pool under the carpet in the trunk on the right. When the coolant gets low the light comes on or in a worst case runs into the red if you lose too much.

But we need more info. to understand the situation and I am just describing an extremely common problem not necessarily the problem with this particular car. Failed water pump, hose, etc. could cause loss of coolant of course.
 
Originally Posted By: JoeFromPA
1. Best case scenario: A sensor failed, giving an obscene temperature reading and my father overfilled the crankcase significantly (unless, since I think oil would've been bubbling out the dipstick from adding 4 quarts).
I don't understand, if high temps, why would you add oil and not coolant? Please don't tell me he thinks this car is air-cooled...??

Originally Posted By: JoeFromPA
2. Head gasket failure: No oil left in his garage, but the car started eating oil on the drive out there. But he doesn't report any blue smoke, just a general "smell of oil".
Would have likely resulted in too much oil (water added to existing oil) not too little, or tons of white smoke if it is a headgasket but not always.

Originally Posted By: JoeFromPA
3. Oil return feed line failure - I think this runs over the top of the engine...would've dumped oil which immediately burned off. Could've been a long-term, slow thing which wouldn't have left a puddle of oil.
Doubtful
 
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All we can do from here is guess. If he is not experienced at working on these cars, the best suggestion, after checking coolant and oil levels, is to get the car (preferably towed/flatbed) to an experienced Porsche tech to troubleshoot and find the problem(s) so as not to do any more damage. Running any vehicle for 30 minutes in the red for any other reason other than an absolute emergency is just plain nuts in my opinion -something you do if you have money to burn. The odds with that kind of gamble were not in his favor.
 
If you are in Eastern PA, you could send it to my BOSCH guy. Highly qualified and recommended, we could discuss his crudentials privately. That's....honestly, your best bet. At least he won't gag you on costs or anything unnecessary. Accurate diagnosis guaranteed, that's what you need the most. Seriously.
 
Audi Junkie....feel free to PM me.

To the rest...i don't have the exact details as I wasn't with him. My father and I have a good relationship, but he doesn't take "guidance" from me with grace :)

1. He knows it's water cooled....he reported seeing "coolant sloshing around in the reservoir [which I believe is the only place he could see the coolant from the access port] with the engine off and the sound a pump working."

2. He took out the dipstick and saw smoke come out of the dipstick tube and the dipstick was bone dry. I'm suspicious of this as he's not got the best eyesight and he only drives a small amount each year...so perhaps the Mobil One could've just been too clear for him to see. Or maybe it was bone dry.

3. Don't know if the heater works...good question. If he was smart, he would've had the heater on high during the whole trip home. I'm going to guess he wasn't smart and probably had the A/C on the whole time. I didn't go down that road with him, because it was already done and I didn't feel like making him feel even more sick to the stomach if he had the A/C on.

4. He added oil because he checked his dipstick and it was bone dry. Now why he added 4 quarts I don't know. He car has an electronic oil level reader in the dash and a dipstick...maybe it needed 4 quarts before it showed up full? Still, I'd like that if his sump was down to 5 quarts (out of a total of 9-10 quarts)....it would still provide adequate lubrication during a leisurely highway drive to prevent lubrication.

And if it did not receive adequate lubrication, I'd think it would result in an "Oil pressure" light coming on and possiby and engine failure, not an overheating situation.

My father is not a wealthy man. He's been a social worker all his life, and is enjoying this Boxster as he nears retirement. I'm hoping to keep him from dropping more money on this than he needs too, hence my ask for assistance.

You guys have already helped clarify the situation for me, but please feel free to continue.

Joe
 
To clarify, when you say the temp gauge was in the red, were you referring to the coolant temp gauge? I don't know about the Boxsters but 911s have an oil temp gauge, and it if was that which was in the red it is a very different issue.
 
I believe the Boxster only has a water temp gauge....I googled it and found a Boxster S gauge with only water temp.

There may be an electronic oil temp readout, but he was definitely referring to a gauge.

Joe
 
FWIW, I just did a quick search and there are several Boxters for sale on the internet that list "oil temperature gauge" in the description.

Perhaps it could be, given the evidence of being 4 quarts low, that the oil in fact overheated.

These engines have a dry sump oiling system with 2 oil pumps, no? If so, perhaps the oil level simply was too low and circulation was lower or something.

Good luck and agree with Audi Junkie - get it to his guy that works on Porsche race cars.
 
Originally Posted By: glennc
To clarify, when you say the temp gauge was in the red, were you referring to the coolant temp gauge? I don't know about the Boxsters but 911s have an oil temp gauge, and it if was that which was in the red it is a very different issue.

No oil temp guage on the boxster
 
man, with a porsche, I would have got a tow truck. chris had a situation with a Nissan overheating, the engine was ruined.
 
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but we need more info.

If there was coolant in the tank still then it is probably not the weak spot I mentioned about the cracked expansion tank.

Other well known chronic problems for the pre-2000 boxsters (2.5l) are:

1) slipped cylinder sleeves

2) The 2.5 and 2.7, and 3.2l "s" were all vulnerable to intermediate shaft failure which dumps all the oil out on the ground typically and causes a catastrophic failure. see articles below

3) The 2.5l and 2.7l are susceptible to broken cylinder liners. For more info. see these articles about the 3.4l which has the same design and the same problems:

http://www.autofarm.co.uk/pdf/Total911_July06.pdf

http://www.autofarm.co.uk/pdf/911PW_Apr06.pdf

Overall, the 2.5l of the pre-2000' boxster is much more prone to failure than the newer ones

Having said that it is normal for this engine to consume oil but 4 quarts is quite excessive, and that is why I asked about how many miles since the oil was full. So please find out:

Was it really down 4 quarts and if so, over how many miles did the 4 quart loss occur?
 
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