94 acura integra, 160k - keep it or can it?

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The scenario is this: My gf has a 94 acura integra, which she bought in 2000. I dont think she got that great of a deal, as she paid about $8000 for it in Miami, and the car had 140k at the time. She immediately put about $800 into it, and it has been a pretty good car, needing since then tires, an ignition coil, clutch and a few other things. It has broken down once, but it never has since I have known her (two years now). I am constantly impressed by the way the car runs, mechanically it is quite excellent besides the clutch feel and operation (but I drive a BMW and saab, so there is no comparisson). The car starts on the first cylinder firing, in single digit temps, after sitting for a week covered in snow. It gets 31 MPG easily, and the engine has a lot of power and runs smooth. She has never had a check engine light or any other issue with any system, and it ]passes emissions easily.

She was thinking of replacing the car this past spring, as she found a really good deal on a mazda protege 5, brand new, being cleared for the intro of the mazda 3. The dealer did a carfax for her, and it found that the car was in two accidents. It was clear that the windshield was replaced, but the car looks good and straight, so it is not noticable that it ever was hit, and the car finder she got it through (she lived in the USVI, so had a 'professional car finder get it for her) never represented it as hit. The dealer offered $1500, and finally said that theyd give $2000.

She never bought the new car, and still has the integra. It runs fine, and I forsee it running well through at least 200k. But it may nickle and dime her a bit, and we currently live ~40 miles apart, and worse, will both be going on rotations, me for work and her for DPT school over the next two years. So I might not be around to help her if an issue arises. The car is in great shape right now, she has had a lot of stuff tuned up, but you never know. her real reservation is the loss of $6000+ for 4 years of use and about 20k of mileage. Maybe thats normal, thats life, I dont know, and personally, I think the car is worth what it costs to replace it. Its running fine now with no indications of any need for any repair, uses no oil leaks nothing, runs fine, etc.

Her parents would be willing to pay about $8-10k for a slightly used civic coupe or corolla (thus my previous post regarding the value of buying a slightly used car). She may be able to find a stripped one for that, which is an 02 or 03, and if so, shell have a slightly more valuable car, which ought to have at least the same life if not a bit more left in it, and which would most likely have a higher resale value down the line. She would also consider an older VW diesel, bacause I like diesels and always talk about their great mileage. Id be worried to get a 3-5 year old diesel (probably where the 8-10k price point is for a VW TDI), as I cant be sure that it wont have lots of problems, more than a used toyota or honda, at which point the value of MPG is offset by repairs. Personally I cant see the justification of getting any replacement car. Id rather she take the $8000, put $1000 into the car and $7000 towards future student loans, rent, or just save it for the future. Its not like a relatively good acura is going do die suddenly without much warning, even if it does have 160k on the clock.

Any opinions on what the smart move should be?

Thanks,

JMH
 
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Originally posted by JHZR2:
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Id rather she take the $8000, put $1000 into the
car and $7000 towards future student loans, rent, or just save it for the future.


Yup, that sounds like a good idea. I'd much rather keep the older, fine running car around than to purchase a new car, then have to worry about making payments for the car and quite possibly higher insurance premiums, then having to worry about depreciation, then worry about even so much as a scratch to the paint, etc.. I'd advise her to keey the Integra, they're great cars and when she's done with college, sell it if she wants. You sure won't have any problems selling a well running Integra, ever.
 
Keep the car. Sure something could happen to the car..but it doesn't justify dropping 8 to 10K to head off a 1500 problem at the worst which could happen. And if you aren't there thats what cell phones and AAA is for.

New car + Student loans= owns you
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My opinion would be to keep the car and pay off some of the student loan debt. Try and tell her that debt is not something you want to have. If she still wants a car then I would say forget about the Mazda. Reliability is not always what Mazda is known for. A used Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla, in great condition, would be a better economic choice.
 
OK, well here's the twist. Her parents are assuming most of the cost for her undergrad and currently grad school. This is why her total loan amount is relatively low. Her parents are stretching to make this all work, and arent keen on making a lump sum payment of $8000 to her. However, they would be willing to make the stretch for a new car in the benefit of their and her piece of mind (they live far apart). SO the issue is they she could have the newer car, but the money in cash beyond say $1500 in repairs would not be going to her. Her parents will stretch to get the money for only one reason, the car, not dual-use.

That said, the question comes down to whats better for her long-term. Say shell have the car for 3 more years, and put 40k on either one, whichever way she goes. Shell either have a 94 integra with 200k, worth about the same as it is now, or, say a civic (say it had 30k when she got it), which would then be up to 70k. The integra would be 13 years old, the civic 6 years old.

My guess is that in this regard, it would be more beneficial to her to get the civic, and thus have a newer, lower mileage car, since the depreciation on the integra and the civic would be on her parent's dollar, not hers. She would just assume ownership of whichever car in three years, and have its residual value as her own.

Now the question is, will a 6 year old, 70k mile civic be worth that much more than a 13 year old, 200k mile integra. My guess is not much different in value... Maybe $1-2K. Sure her parents would be paying the depreciation of both cars, but its not smart use of their money, and she wouldnt come out much ahead in reality. My guess is that there are plenty of people out there that would buy a MT integra with a pretty good body, running strong with 200k, whereas there are reasonably fewer that would want a MT civic with 70k with a straight body. 70k is right in that 'needs a lot of preventive maintenance' timeframe, and its going to cost either her or the new owner...

Seems to me that her best bet in reality is to keep the integra one way or another. But I dont know enbough about civic vs integra resale values... Will the civic have a substantially better resale, meaning that shell have more auto value to her name? $1000 isnt really worth the hassle of trading cars, etc. $2000+ might be worth it.

Thanks,

JMH
 
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But I dont know enbough about civic vs integra resale values... Will the civic have a substantially better resale, meaning that shell have more auto value to her name? $1000 isnt really worth the hassle of trading cars, etc. $2000+ might be worth it.

Thanks,

JMH


At his point, the important thing is for her to get through grad school. In the big picture, a couple $k on trade in a couple of years down the road isn't important.

How about this. Have her thank her parents profusely for the offer and ask them for a rain check in case she really needs it someday before she graduates. Think of it as an insurance policy you don't have to pay for.

Then drive the Integra until she graduates and can afford to buy a car on her own. If her parents are having to scrape to put her through school, they would appreciate getting some recognition for their offer of another car but having a good chance of not actually having to pay it.

Sounds like she and you are going to be in a lot better position to buy cars in a few years than her parents are now.
 
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That is a great poiunt and idea. It is more or less exactly what I have been stressing to her and her parents for some time.

This issue about cars just comes up from time to time because repairs must be done, something is required, maintenance, tires, etc., etc. I think its worth it to keep her car; its worth what it costs to replace it. It is really her parents that bring up the idea of getting a new car. I think its for their piece of mind, since they live 1500 mi away. I maintain that the car is worth keeping, but they like the idea of her having a newer car, rather than worrying about the ignition coil going, then the blower motor, etc. In reality I dont see the benefit, sijnce repairs are a lot cheaper and the car runs great. I only see it as a financial strain to them. Right now it is more or less the raincheck idea. But the further time goes on, the closer her sister will be to college, etc., and the less likely the raincheck will be exercisable.

Im lucky, my parents could pay for my college and grad school outright. Id hate to know what its like to go paycheck to paycheck to pay for schooling, and hope I can save enough to pay for my kids' schooling someday. But a lot of that depends on being strong financially coming out of the gate. I am lucky that I was. She is relatively so, but has some loans, etc. I want to be sure that she is as strong financially as she can when she gets out of school, thus my wondering about if it may be worth it...

Thanks,

JMH
 
Keep the integra and get a brand new Cavalier base model for $8000. Two cars is more reliable than one. I wouldnt want any wimmins in my family driving old cars. But that should be just as much her parents concern as yours.
 
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Keep the integra and get a brand new Cavalier base model for $8000. Two cars is more reliable than one. I wouldnt want any wimmins in my family driving old cars. But that should be just as much her parents concern as yours.

Great point..the only issue is the Cav is pretty much at the lower end of the safety rating. But you are right. The Cav (if you can get an 04) is a real good deal and it it comes with a 100K warranty.
 
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Originally posted by FL-400S:
Keep the integra and get a brand new Cavalier base model for $8000. Two cars is more reliable than one. I wouldnt want any wimmins in my family driving old cars. But that should be just as much her parents concern as yours.

Great point..the only issue is the Cav is pretty much at the lower end of the safety rating. But you are right. The Cav (if you can get an 04) is a real good deal and it it comes with a 100K warranty.


I just got a 2005 for $8000 minus my GM rebate. They are all getting cleared out, '04's and '05's. Mine only has a 3/36K warranty, which is standard from GM. A 100K warranty would be a dealer add on.

As for crash tests, it depends on what you crash into? If you crash a cavalier or an Integra (or corolla or jetta, etc)into an F250, they both are all gonna get mashed up and you might die. IMO crash tests are subjective and scientific and might hold some value in the real world, but can't be called definitive because real-world accidents dont happen like in a lab.

For instance, your corolla has better 40mph head on crash rating than my cavalier. How often do you hit a car head on at 40mph? More like 80, since each car is usually doing 35-40. Corolla, cavalier, no difference. Yer gonna get messed up bad or worse. Plus what if you bounce off and get rear ended and spun around and rolled over, etc.

Maybe Im just trying to justfy driving a Cadavalier at half the price of a corolla. Am I saving money or gambling with life?
 
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[qb] Maybe Im just trying to justfy driving a Cadavalier at half the price of a corolla. Am I saving money or gambling with life?
Well, I helped my son buy a 95 Cavalier and I did so in spite of the safety ratings. Life carries risks and my sone drove responsibility and always buckled up..So somewhere you need to draw the line.Either car will fare porely running into a jacked up F-250 Ford.
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I guess I should clarify... Her parents would buy the slightly used car for cash... $8-10k for a 1-3 year old civic or corolla.

Fortunately she does not have much in loans ($20k maybe at the end from undergrad and grad school combined, and Ive taught her to hate debt as much as I do), and I believe there are tax writeoffs due to loan interest? She is locked in at a pretty low rate (3% I think).

I sure am glad I made it through with no loans, Im lucky in that regard, even if there are writeoffs, etc. I just want to be sure that she is at as advantageous a financial point coming out of school as she can be...

Thanks,

JMH
 
I would keep the old car so that the parents do not have to "stretch." I hate debt. I especially hate car payments.

Acura is one of the more reliable brands on the road. Keep the oil changed and stay on top of other maintenance: fluids, plugs, filters, struts.

If an Acura is properly operated and maintained, it will provide long, reliable service.
 
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Originally posted by FL-400S:

Maybe Im just trying to justfy driving a Cadavalier at half the price of a corolla. Am I saving money or gambling with life?


When you try to blow off crash test results it does does sound that way.
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I can't get too excited about the crash test differences, but it's not because I don't think they are valid. They are valid.

My reason is that the most important piece of safety equipment in any vehicle is what the driver has between his ears.
 
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