502 and 507......interesting graphic

[felixthecat]

Originally Posted By: glxpassat
Originally Posted By: felixthecat
502 is a current specification.
http://oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php
Sure no longer used in europe.... so in "temporal" way it has superseded 504, but still a currently used oil specification. ( See PU 5w-40)


502 is still used in the US because we are on fixed service intervals. 504 replaced the 503 oils, which were long-life oils which are better quality, more expensive than the 502 oils, and are intended to be used with variable service intervals. Since 504 is more expensive, there's no reason to require it for short fixed intervals, hence the recommendation to stick with 502 in the US.


The reason 502 oils are not used in the US is not what you listed.

 

[Tornado Red]

As you can see, the on-road fuels sold in the US and Canada are as clean as the fuels in Europe.
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[vinu_neuro]

Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
As you can see, the on-road fuels sold in the US and Canada are as clean as the fuels in Europe.
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That's diesel. US gasoline is high in sulfur. MB at one point changed dealer supplies solely to M1 ESP, but eventually switched back to M1 0W-40 for gasoline engines since the light-duty diesel oils just can't go the distance on our gas.

 

[OldBaldy]

Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
As you can see, the on-road fuels sold in the US and Canada are as clean as the fuels in Europe.
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That's diesel. US gasoline is high in sulfur. MB at one point changed dealer supplies solely to M1 ESP, but eventually switched back to M1 0W-40 for gasoline engines since the light-duty diesel oils just can't go the distance on our gas.


Again, we need to define "distance" here. I believe there is no disagreement that 504 oils cannot go 30000km (18000 mile) variable service type OCI, but that does NOT imply they also cannot go the standard fixed USA OCI. Ask VW/Audi themselves (I did). You can use 504 in place of 502 for any car calling for 502 as long as you stick to the standard fixed USA OCI called in the manual.

 

[m37charlie]

Originally Posted By: bruno
http://www.ifqc.org/NM_Top5.aspx

As you can see gasoline sold in the US has triple the sulfur content of that sold in Germany - AT THE VERY LEAST !
It can contain up to eight times a much !


I clicked that link twice, to be sure. It refers to DIESEL, not gasoline. Please be more careful in your postings.
It is true that the EU limit is 10ppm and US limit 30ppm with occaisonal 80ppm deviations, but that fact isn't on you linked page.
Try this:
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?session_id=&navigation_path=&language_id=1
Sheet 126.0

Charlie

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Originally Posted By: riggaz
Originally Posted By: FowVay
These are two separate applications. VW's 502.00 is for gasoline engines. Their 507.00 is for DPF equipped diesel engines. Somewhere in there were a couple of gasoline engines that required the previous 505.01 standard which was also a diesel specification. The fuel type of the engine makes a huge difference on the oil recommendation. The reactive by-product is completely different.

Whew,,VW keeps you busy trying to follow their norms. It's no wonder even the dealerships struggle with trying to provide the proper chemicals. I currently require a 507.00 oil but I think I'm going to modify my requirement once the warranty is completely gone on my exhaust system. I prefer the 5W-40 that Mercedes-Benz specifies for their DPF equipped vehicles so I'm likely going to go that route.


505.01 is the fixed interval PD engine oil spec bud, it has no application for petrol engines, 502.00 is the fixed interval petrol engine oil spec. 507.00 is the variable service low saps diesel oil and 504.00 is the variable service petrol engine spec.

I really wouldn't use the MB dpf oil for VW engines as they are completely different engine technologies, just because it has MB approval doesn't mean it's better than a VW spec in fact i think the reverse is true. Almost all fixed interval VW spec (502.00 505.01 505.00)5w-30 oils that do not have the VW507.00 504.00 approval have the MB 229.31 229.51 spec but not the other way around. If you have a SOHC diesel engine defo only use the VW approved oil otherwise say goodbye to your camshaft in 80 - 100 k.

hope this helps



Dont' forget that one of the requirements of the 507.00 spec is that is must be a 30 weight oil. M1 ESP 5w-30 has both the MB 229.51 and VW 507.