Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: gofast182
You're a bit early for this thread if the purchase won't be made for another 1-2 years.
It's a shame you ruled out Acura because a 2012+ TL SH-AWD 6MT hits pretty much every other criteria and it offers legit sport sedan performance with the reliability you might not enjoy with a German offering. Based on that you'd want to stay away from every Japanese brand because Lexus is flat (which is OK) and Infiniti is arguably in a more tenuous position than Acura is based on sales.
That said, other than CTS-V, it looks like your choices are German. More specifically, a 335i seems to be very close to what you described.
I'd agree if the TL wasn't so ugly (IMO). Actually the latest accord sport or civic si might be a good option. Pay cash, save the $10-20k delta, and put it towards a lightly used Porsche or something similar that really is top notch.
The front is hardly offensive anymore after the mid cycle refresh, with that taken care of it's a handsome car (if not too understated).
Originally Posted By: gofast182
You're a bit early for this thread if the purchase won't be made for another 1-2 years.
It's a shame you ruled out Acura because a 2012+ TL SH-AWD 6MT hits pretty much every other criteria and it offers legit sport sedan performance with the reliability you might not enjoy with a German offering. Based on that you'd want to stay away from every Japanese brand because Lexus is flat (which is OK) and Infiniti is arguably in a more tenuous position than Acura is based on sales.
That said, other than CTS-V, it looks like your choices are German. More specifically, a 335i seems to be very close to what you described.
I'd agree if the TL wasn't so ugly (IMO). Actually the latest accord sport or civic si might be a good option. Pay cash, save the $10-20k delta, and put it towards a lightly used Porsche or something similar that really is top notch.
The front is hardly offensive anymore after the mid cycle refresh, with that taken care of it's a handsome car (if not too understated).