'26 Escape Can't Be Sold in 6 States

[edyvw]

What a laziness. I wonder where else they were: “ah, who cares.”

 

[4WD]

It’s Ford’s choice - same as some choose to never live in those states …

 

[CKN]

They don't sell that many to begin with. And it's going the way of the dinosaur-
https://www.motor1.com/news/684575/ford-escape-getting-the-axe/

 

[97prizm]

Six states? That's ratarded.
Seems like California is the only one that needs their own emissions standards since they usually have about 7 or 8 of the top 10 spots for US cities with the worst air pollution and usually run uncontested, only against themselves for about the top 5 spots.

Colorado went to California emissions with Hickenlooper. I think Washington State. Maryland, are also on the list.

 

[fantastic]

This definitely sounds like the last squeeze out of it to make more $$

I'm illegal in 6 states myself....

Whats the bounty reward?

 

[oil pan 4]

Colorado went to California emissions with Hickenlooper. I think Washington State. Maryland, are also on the list.

Maine too follows another state. It's not that they need it they just do it to keep heavy industry out of the state and force people to buy from a smaller more expensive pool of new cars.

 

[CKN]

Maine too follows another state. It's not that they need it they just do it to keep heavy industry out of the state and force people to buy from a smaller more expensive pool of new cars.

JMHO-I don't think adding California emissions equipment makes a vehicle go from affordable to non affordable. With the cost of new vehicles-the cost of said equipment is insignificant. So that $60,000.00 truck will be $57,000.00 instead w/o emissions.

 

[4WD]

JMHO-I don't think adding California emissions equipment makes a vehicle go from affordable to non affordable. With the cost of new vehicles-the cost of said equipment is insignificant. So that $60,000.00 truck will be $57,000.00 instead w/o emissions.

That vehicle is likely around to balance CAFE - Ford = F series LT’s …

 

[oil pan 4]

JMHO-I don't think adding California emissions equipment makes a vehicle go from affordable to non affordable. With the cost of new vehicles-the cost of said equipment is insignificant. So that $60,000.00 truck will be $57,000.00 instead w/o emissions.

Ive heard estimates for "California compliance" range anywhere from $0 to thousands of dollars for gasoline.
If it's $0 then the OEM likely exceeded EPA enough to meet California so they sell them all like that. But that's not always the case.

 

[97prizm]

Fords laziness demonstrated here. Isnt the Maverick using an exhaust scrubber in 2026?

Exhaust particulate filter

 

[CKN]

Ive heard estimates for "California compliance" range anywhere from $0 to thousands of dollars for gasoline.
If it's $0 then the OEM likely exceeded EPA enough to meet California so they sell them all like that. But that's not always the case.

I have heard about $3,000.00 dollars but don't know where. A quick dive with google yields no results.

 

[edyvw]

Interestingly that CR-V, RAV4 etc. are still sold there.
Then CEO will go and complain about pressure, competition, unions etc. The only vehicle they can assemble it seems is F150, and even that gets you transmission issues.

 

[Pew]

I thought something passed where states cannot override federal emission standards?

 

[Arc]

Trav-
Do you want me to tell you my story about growing up in Southern California in the 60's and the air was filthy compared to what it is now? I spent 50 years in the state (of California) so I know a little.....
I always post the story when someone doesn't know what they are talking about. So let me know if I need to find it or post it again............

In the sixties it wasn't cars that were the problem. It was all the marijuana smoke.

 

[Rmay635703]

I thought something passed where states cannot override federal emission standards?

At the federal level thousands of things are said about all manner of topics.

Only a couple actually take effect AS DESCRIBED. Most are just a smokescreen

 

[oil pan 4]

At the federal level thousands of things are said about all manner of topics.

Only a couple actually take effect AS DESCRIBED. Most are just a smokescreen

Indeed

 

[CKN]

In the sixties it wasn't cars that were the problem. It was all the marijuana smoke.

I'm waiting for even more insightful thoughts.......

 

[shortyb]

Trav-
Do you want me to tell you my story about growing up in Southern California in the 60's and the air was filthy compared to what it is now? I spent 50 years in the state (of California) so I know a little.....
I always post the story when someone doesn't know what they are talking about. So let me know if I need to find it or post it again............

You mean when the cars had basically NO emissions equipment and ran super rich carbureted engine, no vapor recovery at gas pumps, basic gridlock everywhere with cars running and spewing all that filth? Haven't these things improved since then?

 

[4WD]

You mean when the cars had basically NO emissions equipment and ran super rich carbureted engine, no vapor recovery at gas pumps, basic gridlock everywhere with cars running and spewing all that filth? Haven't these things improved since then?

There are many factors including geographical, industry, ports, all that …
However, going back to the 60’s - they are not doing bad when you consider this kind of population growth …

 

[shortyb]

There are many factors including geographical, ports, all that …
However, going back to the 60’s - they are not doing bad when you consider this kind of population growth …

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Agreed. The air seems way cleaner than in the past. But on the vehicle side, do you put all the credit with C.A.R.B., or would 49 state regs have done the same? Outside looking in, but CA seems far more over-regulated in this regard for whatever reason. This and all the other regulations, rules, laws, codes, specs etc., that are CA specific would constitute the lunatic fringe @Trav was talking about IMHO.