'24 Civic Type R - OEM 0w20 - 2,292 (first change)

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Per title, this is for a '24 Civic Type R. Purchased the car just under 3 months ago, first oil change at 2,292 miles and sent a sample in for UOA. I sent the sample in as I was 1) curious to know the fuel dilution as I do many short trips and 2) just to see and share what the results are from the factory fill, as there seems to be much discussion in the FL5 community about high moly content and whether or not to perform the first oil change early.

For the duration, I consistently drove many short trips during the week (avg about 3.3 miles per trip), mainly taking my kids to school/activities. Trips now are actually shorter since summer is over. Also I avoided driving the car hard for the first 700 miles, and always wait for the rpm to drop to normal idle before driving. From the looks of it, seems like fuel dilution isn't a concern...at least not yet. But I am also new to a lot of this and have much to study/learn, so hence I'm posting here for any feedback.

I have since replaced the OEM with HPL PCMO No VII 5w-30. Plan on doing the next OCI at 5k and another UOA to see if I can extend the OCI, given my many short trips. At least I'm understanding this would be a way to determine if longer OCIs would be ideal.


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The high content of molybdenum is normal, which is part of the Honda Engine Type 2.0 0W20 engine oil developed by idemitsu. I have read some research and personally experienced that an early oil change after 1000 kilometres brings nothing, except that you burn your money. I would change the oil the first time I make the MM or the specifications of Honda, then every 7500 kilometres.
Even with vehicles that are moved on the racetrack, a change after 3000 kilometres is excessive. Today's oils can do much more. Otherwise, you would have to change the oil in between during the 24 hour races, but the analyses also look like these oils can remain in use after much longer. Have fun with the Type r and always have a good Trip.
 
I have not seen a VOA of the Type 2.0 0w20, and wonder if its really the factory fill in the US or not. I replaced my FF at 4K with 0w20 M1 EP, and then sampled after 5K. Engine showed its still breaking in, elevated AL and SI , and the sample had moly at 182 which is near triple what I saw in a VOA. Not sure if its still breaking/assembly moly left the sump or what.

Will flush with my 'free' Acura OC shortly which is whatever bulk the dealer uses, then do a second 5K UOA with a M1 product. Just want to see the wear metals go down.

While not the L15, fuel dilution still is there with this GDI as most others. Mine was just under 2%.

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Here you have uoa from Honda Engine Type 2.0 0W20.




 
The high content of molybdenum is normal, which is part of the Honda Engine Type 2.0 0W20 engine oil developed by idemitsu. I have read some research and personally experienced that an early oil change after 1000 kilometres brings nothing, except that you burn your money. I would change the oil the first time I make the MM or the specifications of Honda, then every 7500 kilometres.
Even with vehicles that are moved on the racetrack, a change after 3000 kilometres is excessive. Today's oils can do much more. Otherwise, you would have to change the oil in between during the 24 hour races, but the analyses also look like these oils can remain in use after much longer. Have fun with the Type r and always have a good Trip.

Every Honda first oil change has lots of molybdenum likely from assembly lubes, not magic in the oil itself.
 
This is absolutely wrong.
It is only visible in the first oil change because the engine oil recommended by Honda was used there, that is the reason.With each oil change with the engine oil developed by Honda for the Type r, the oil analysis shows a content of 600ppm. This has nothing to do with the assembly of the engine, it is simply contained in the engine oil. This can also be clearly recognised by the UOA I linked with the Honda Engine Type 2.0 0W20.
 
Good deal, the Fuel level looks reasonable. Perhaps a few changes on cheaper oil to rid the Si first before a long duration of HPL.
 
This is absolutely wrong.
It is only visible in the first oil change because the engine oil recommended by Honda was used there, that is the reason.With each oil change with the engine oil developed by Honda for the Type r, the oil analysis shows a content of 600ppm. This has nothing to do with the assembly of the engine, it is simply contained in the engine oil. This can also be clearly recognised by the UOA I linked with the Honda Engine Type 2.0 0W20.
The high Molly is from assembly Lube, not some special oil. It’s the first oil change. The Molly and Si will start to go
Down with future oil changes.
 
Again, the high content comes from the engine oil, not from the manufacture of the engine or its materials. Where does this knowledge come from? It's wrong, just wrong. My explanations above and the analyses clearly prove it.

In my analyses, even after 50000 kilometres, Moly is still contained in the same amount as in the new engine, funny, isn't it? All other additives also show that it is the first filling of the engine oil, which is used worldwide by Honda worldwide. Please do not spread such nonsense that it comes from motor materials, please leave it.
 
TY for the data @CivicFK2TypeR , I had forgotten about the euro manual recommendation of that specifically (vs the generic US manual for CAFE) and didn't see those UOAs as I was looking for a VOA, my bad :) That is a clear data point with those changes looks like the old school blends that Idemitsu used to do.

Not starting YATvsT debate, I do find it peculiar how specific the euro manual is for this engine with oil a 0w20 oil recommendation of type 2.0, but a nice 5/30 is also OK, no type 3.0 :D. My dealer said 'huh?' when I asked if they use type 2.0 or not as there are two free OCs with the Integra. Guess my Teg is getting bulk 2.0 this week which I will swap out again for M1 in a few K.
 
The high Molly is from assembly Lube, not some special oil. It’s the first oil change. The Molly and Si will start to go
Down with future oil changes.

Every Honda first oil change has lots of molybdenum likely from assembly lubes, not magic in the oil itself.

🤨 where are you getting this info? This is literally regular ol’ Idemitsu with moly oil right outta the barrel. 🤦🏻‍♂️

What you’re suggesting is that Honda uses plain Jane oil (no moly) and then assembly lube is literally liquid moly in a tube. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Stop spreading fake news. This is regular oil and there’s not even a trace of any assembly lube additives in this report. Do you need reading glasses? 🧐

If no oil on the market had more then say… 250ppm of moly and here comes the FF out of this Honda with 600 — THEN we could possibly speculate that the extra moly is probably from assembly lube or some “special sauce” that they add for break-in

But… since there are oils on the market that have 550ppm of moly in it, your comments are literally WRONG. 😒
 
🤨 where are you getting this info? This is literally regular ol’ Idemitsu with moly oil right outta the barrel. 🤦🏻‍♂️

What you’re suggesting is that Honda uses plain Jane oil (no moly) and then assembly lube is literally liquid moly in a tube. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Stop spreading fake news. This is regular oil and there’s not even a trace of any assembly lube additives in this report. Do you need reading glasses? 🧐

If no oil on the market had more then say… 250ppm of moly and here comes the FF out of this Honda with 600 — THEN we could possibly speculate that the extra moly is probably from assembly lube or some “special sauce” that they add for break-in

But… since there are oils on the market that have 550ppm of moly in it, your comments are literally WRONG. 😒
Thanks for your reply. Do you have a VOA to back this up?
 
Yes i have. This Engine oil will be filled in every new k20c1 Engine from Honda worldwide. In Europe Honda recommended this Engine oil for every oil Change. The moly is definetely from the Engine oil, end of thread.

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Btw Motul 300v has 600 Moly, too. There is nothing special, this formulations are over 15 years on the market.
 
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Maybe I’m wrong about Motul, but I can tell you Honda doesn’t use that oil in its factory production. This is a factory fully UOA. Have a read:

 
I just posted a VOA of the oil. We have been using the oil for over ten oil changes and each time 600 ppm Moly is included. Exactly this Moly can also be recognised in the American Type r models and UOA when it is the first oil change. After that, in the USA and elsewhere in the world, oils which contain little Moly rise. Hence the misconception that the Moly is dismantled and is only included because of the production, that is not the soe!
Every k20c1 Engine is filled with Honda Engine Type 2.0 0W20 worldwide.
 
I just posted a VOA of the oil. We have been using the oil for over ten oil changes and each time 600 ppm Moly is included. Exactly this Moly can also be recognised in the American Type r models and UOA when it is the first oil change. After that, in the USA and elsewhere in the world, oils which contain little Moly rise. Hence the misconception that the Moly is dismantled and is only included because of the production, that is not the soe!
Every k20c1 Engine is filled with Honda Engine Type 2.0 0W20 worldwide.
I can see how this causes confusion, as the Honda Engine Type 2.0 oil is not available here in the US. So those that do get their oil changes at Honda dealers (in the US) are getting a different kind of oil, which isn't consistent across all dealers so can't say what's going in. I had considered getting the 2.0 oil, but just shipping cost alone was about $65.

Aside from the moly topic, I'm guessing fuel dilution isn't alarming(?) which was one thing I was concerned about. I was informed that based on the viscosity range "the oil sheered to a lower weight", but not significant. Being this oil was in for 2k miles, guessing this was due to the short trips.
 
I can see how this causes confusion, as the Honda Engine Type 2.0 oil is not available here in the US. So those that do get their oil changes at Honda dealers (in the US) are getting a different kind of oil, which isn't consistent across all dealers so can't say what's going in. I had considered getting the 2.0 oil, but just shipping cost alone was about $65.

Aside from the moly topic, I'm guessing fuel dilution isn't alarming(?) which was one thing I was concerned about. I was informed that based on the viscosity range "the oil sheered to a lower weight", but not significant. Being this oil was in for 2k miles, guessing this was due to the short trips.

Also, UOAs that are based on Genuine Honda motor oil show typically modest levels of molybdenum. Seems reasonable to assume this is the same oil used in Honda factory fills. Maybe this is not the case with every US Honda engine, but I’ve seen nothing to suggest this is the case. And I’d bet the owner’s manual doesn’t specify an oil rating different from any other Honda model.

Only on BITOG would this debate ignite emotions…
 
Hi, here's my report I got recently.. It was the cars third oil change, all Honda 0w20, done at 2500, 7000, 12000 kms...
Would appreciate any feedback
Thanks

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Hi, here's my report I got recently.. It was the cars third oil change, all Honda 0w20, done at 2500, 7000, 12000 kms...
Would appreciate any feedback
Thanks

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On the surface, I'd say it looks pretty dang good. OAI test? The high(er) fuel is typical Honda, but not causing any issues. Visc. is still solid, iron and aluminum are very low, and oxidation is only 9aBs, still lots of life. Big magnesium and boron suggest a newer detergent add pack (SP). But if it's the "Honda" oil, where did all the moly go? 😁
 
On the surface, I'd say it looks pretty dang good. OAI test? The high(er) fuel is typical Honda, but not causing any issues. Visc. is still solid, iron and aluminum are very low, and oxidation is only 9aBs, still lots of life. Big magnesium and boron suggest a newer detergent add pack (SP). But if it's the "Honda" oil, where did all the moly go? 😁
Thanks for the reply. And yes OAI report from their Edmonton Alberta lab.
 
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