2024 S650 Mustang will be hard to tune

[wemay]

Jalopnik: It's Going to Suck for Third Party Tuners and the S650 Ford Mustang.
https://jalopnik.com/its-going-to-suck-for-third-party-tuners-and-the-s650-f-1849648139

 

[RooflessVW]

Piggyback. Ez Pz.

 

[Pew]

I'll give it like a year before it all gets cracked. If there's a will there's a way; it took a decade+ for tuners to crack the SST TCM in the evo.

 

[RooflessVW]

I'll give it like a year before it all gets cracked. If there's a will there's a way; it took a decade+ for tuners to crack the SST TCM in the evo.

And if you can hide your rooted and ROM'd android from banking software, I'm sure some developer will have no trouble with this.

 

[atikovi]

What a great opportunity for all the illegal hackers of malware and ransomware to find a legitimate gig.

 

[Skippy722]

I think it took tuners less than a year to bypass the security on FCA vehicles. It’s kind of a PITA involving removal of the factory PCM but it can be done. I give the Ford tuning community 6 months before they have tunes available.

 

[Cujet]

The EPA is pushing hard for secure automotive ECU's. As such, manufacturers are using ever more difficult setups to prevent tuning. At some point, the tune will become effectively impossible.

 

[Silver]

Jalopnik... isn't that Project Farm's cousin?

 

[atikovi]

The EPA is pushing hard for secure automotive ECU's. As such, manufacturers are using ever more difficult setups to prevent tuning. At some point, the tune will become effectively impossible.

Why don't they do that for the computer and internet industry? The harm from Bubba's Mustang exceeding emissions standards is minuscule compared to one Colonial Pipeline ransomware hack costing millions in revenue and lots of inconvenience.

 

[slacktide_bitog]

someone will find a way

 

[joegreen]

They want you to find a way. Manufacturers want there high performance vehicles to be able to be modified for more power as it helps entice people to buy it.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Good for Ford. .

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

They want you to find a way. Manufacturers want there high performance vehicles to be able to be modified for more power as it helps entice people to buy it.

Ya but it's a catch 22 if said buyers are leasing because the automaker has to contend with bad publicity and warranty expense on the CPO side.

I wish automakers were more strict with regards to tuning leased vehicles.

 

[Skippy722]

Why don't they do that for the computer and internet industry? The harm from Bubba's Mustang exceeding emissions standards is minuscule compared to one Colonial Pipeline ransomware hack costing millions in revenue and lots of inconvenience.

Low hanging fruit. They’re content giving relatively massive fines to smaller companies for violations than they are going after say… US Steel who can rack up 831 violations in 26 months at just one of their mills and get a $4.6 million fine, despite making billions per quarter.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Low hanging fruit. They’re content giving relatively massive fines to smaller companies for violations than they are going after say… US Steel who can rack up 831 violations in 26 months at just one of their mills and get a $4.6 million fine, despite making billions per quarter.

Are you saying the schedule of fines US Steel is too low or should be commensurate to the violator's gross revenues?

 

[Skippy722]

Are you saying the schedule of fines US Steel is too low or should be commensurate to the violator's gross revenues?

The fines need to scale to actively discourage the behavior. $5,000,000 to a relatively small diesel tuner does that. $4.6 million for 831 violations in 2 years to a mega corp that profits (not revenue) in the billions doesn’t, as seen by their past and current behavior of not seeming to care.

Now that I think about it, the fines should just be a flat percentage of your companies profits. Me getting a speeding ticket for example and paying $250 doesn’t really discourage me from speeding… me paying 5% of my after tax income absolutely would.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

What a great opportunity for all the illegal hackers of malware and ransomware to find a legitimate gig.

Pfft. Nobody legit will pay them what they’re worth, or even currently making.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

The fines need to scale to actively discourage the behavior. $5,000,000 to a relatively small diesel tuner does that. $4.6 million for 831 violations in 2 years to a mega corp that profits (not revenue) in the billions doesn’t, as seen by their past and current behavior of not seeming to care.

Now that I think about it, the fines should just be a flat percentage of your companies profits. Me getting a speeding ticket for example and paying $250 doesn’t really discourage me from speeding… me paying 5% of my after tax income absolutely would.

Just say no to communist fine scales.

Enforce the laws already on the books for actual crimes (especially violent crimes), not strawman policy “crimes” against the State where there is no living injured party. We don’t need a nanny state, we need equal justice under the law.

I don’t generally speed anyways (
There’s a big difference between “illegal” and “unlawful”.

 

[Pew]

The fines need to scale to actively discourage the behavior. $5,000,000 to a relatively small diesel tuner does that. $4.6 million for 831 violations in 2 years to a mega corp that profits (not revenue) in the billions doesn’t, as seen by their past and current behavior of not seeming to care.

Now that I think about it, the fines should just be a flat percentage of your companies profits. Me getting a speeding ticket for example and paying $250 doesn’t really discourage me from speeding… me paying 5% of my after tax income absolutely would.

This is one of the things some Euro countries do that I agree with completely. It just makes more sense. $500 ticket isn't going to stop me if I have a $500K Mclaren.

 

[Skippy722]

Just say no to communist fine scales.

Enforce the laws already on the books for actual crimes (especially violent crimes), not strawman policy “crimes” against the State where there is no living injured party. We don’t need a nanny state, we need equal justice under the law.

I don’t generally speed anyways (
There’s a big difference between “illegal” and “unlawful”.

I just used the speeding thing as an example… albeit not a very good one as I have the same views on speeding as you.