2024 iseecars vehicle safety study the 23 most dangerous cars on the road

SC Maintenance said:
I 100% agree with that, so it would seem the solution is to a) focus on keeping drivers attentive, and b) getting the tech into vehicles sooner than later, rather than worry about what vehicle anyone drives?

As you mentioned, being rear-ended is the most likely accident, and there is almost no reason for it to ever happen, but around here if you leave 0.1 inches of extra space between you and the car ahead someone will take it, and there usually texting while they do it. And I have watched LEO drive on by someone obviosly texting without a care in the world.

So in the end, I agree with your statements, but the only potential logical outcome is to protect yourself with a larger vehicle, until such time that someone in charge starts to give a rip. Not holding my breath on that last part.
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Look how much those vehicles cost that I don't want to drive and you see why I don't have one while driving 12k-20k miles a years depending on the need for the year. I like nice things, but I'm not a $60k 18mpg truck driving kind of guy. The last time I did that for $42k I eventually was paying a car payment in fuel some months before I finally parted with it.

I do see some that in larger areas away from my home with everyone following so closely and that's a huge problem. I get not letting anyone in, but it doesn't leave much margin for error. We're all more concerned about being delayed for a few seconds than our own safety. I'm not sure there's much fix for that because that is pretty standard for most people.

I broke it down and I basically get rear ended every 5 years. It's been 4 years since the last one. They always say accidents happen close to home, but that's more of the fact that most people on average really don't drive that far on a daily basis. The last one was waiting for traffic to clear to pull into my driveway. It doesn't get any closer than that!
 
Torrid said:
My point is that I've had multiple people here tell me if I care about safety I'd buy a big truck. It sounds like a really backwards approach to me. Maybe we could find a way to crash less tonnage overall into each other.

It really isn't the vehicle that's the problem. Inattentive drivers are the real problem. They sure have a boatload of metal to hit you with available though and who knows how well it's maintained or how good the brakes actually are?

The tech and engineering in modern vehicles is amazing... when it's maintained. I've been on the receiving end of a lot accidents over the years. People just aren't paying attention and many don't maintain their brakes. Luckily none have been over 30mph. Every single one was a rear end accident when I was already stopped waiting to make a turn, except for one where I was stopped at a red light. Maybe I just have bad luck.
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You’re not alone on this sentiment. I also dislike the unmitigated spread of large vehicles everywhere. In fact, I’m a prime example of the vehicle wars. I bought my wife an SUV to drive around our daughters because I wouldn’t want her to lose a crash with something heavier.

I drive a 2400lb commuter for work, but I care less about my life than my wife and kids.

I wouldn’t have chosen that SUV if it wasn’t for everyone else driving huge vehicles also.

Heavier wins almost every time. I wish people would buy small cars, but it’s not the culture these days.

Realistically I think the only way it will change is very high gas prices.
 
Kurtatron said:
You’re not alone on this sentiment. I also dislike the unmitigated spread of large vehicles everywhere. In fact, I’m a prime example of the vehicle wars. I bought my wife an SUV to drive around our daughters because I wouldn’t want her to lose a crash with something heavier.

I drive a 2400lb commuter for work, but I care less about my life than my wife and kids.

I wouldn’t have chosen that vehicle if it wasn’t for everyone else driving huge vehicles also.

Heavier wins almost every time. I wish people would buy small cars, but it’s not the culture these days.

Realistically I think the only way it will change is very high gas prices.
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High gas prices pushed me out of mine. I had a truck initially because I knew it would benefit with home projects and the 4WD would help with bad weather and the on call nature of my job. Then the distances I had to drive for my job massively increased and I was constantly in and out of hotels while doing it. I traded the truck for a GTI because I wanted something fun that wasn't eating so much of my paid mileage claims. That was even if the trip was eligible for it. Some weeks I'd get forced to a location 2.5 hours from home. When I was forced on the job I didn't get paid mileage and if I didn't want to drive back and forth I had to cover my own hotel. If I was called as an assignment to temporarily cover it, I was paid mileage and the hotel was covered.

I didn't realize how big of an issue the vehicle size disparity was until I was in a GTI and everything towered over me. Now in the Model Y I'm even with most other small crossovers, but it's not exactly a huge car.

It seems like every truck redesign increases the size of the vehicle. The current F150 is still the same footprint as the 2017 I had since the chassis hasn't been dramatically redesigned, but it's larger than the previous full generation change and it's done that with nearly every iteration. I don't think that's going to stop at this rate.
 
Torrid said:
High gas prices pushed me out of mine. I had a truck initially because I knew it would benefit with home projects and the 4WD would help with bad weather and the on call nature of my job. Then the distances I had to drive for my job massively increased and I was constantly in and out of hotels while doing it. I traded the truck for a GTI because I wanted something fun that wasn't eating so much of my paid mileage claims. That was even if the trip was eligible for it. Some weeks I'd get forced to a location 2.5 hours from home. When I was forced on the job I didn't get paid mileage and if I didn't want to drive back and forth I had to cover my own hotel. If I was called as an assignment to temporarily cover it, I was paid mileage and the hotel was covered.

I didn't realize how big of an issue the vehicle size disparity was until I was in a GTI and everything towered over me. Now in the Model Y I'm even with most other small crossovers, but it's not exactly a huge car.

It seems like every truck redesign increases the size of the vehicle. The current F150 is still the same footprint as the 2017 I had since the chassis hasn't been dramatically redesigned, but it's larger than the previous full generation change and it's done that with nearly every iteration. I don't think that's going to stop at this rate.
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It’s strikingly similar to video games, pay to win.

If you’re not a gamer, it means paying for some advantage over other human players. If everyone else is paying up to win, you feel extreme frustration because you are behind.

Paying to win is in cars now too. Whoever throws more money at a bigger, beefier car, wins. No doubt about it. A heavy vehicle, but low to the ground (better than high), would win all others. Just put a battering ram on the front of it 😂
 
Kurtatron said:
It’s strikingly similar to video games, pay to win.

If you’re not a gamer, it means paying for some advantage over other human players. If everyone else is paying up to win, you feel extreme frustration because you are behind.

Paying to win is in cars now too. Whoever throws more money at a bigger, beefier car, wins. No doubt about it. A heavy vehicle, but low to the ground (better than high), would win all others. Just put a battering ram on the front of it 😂
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Ok I’m in on that last one. Pretty sure that was an option in GTA, the ramp car.
 
Kurtatron said:
You’re not alone on this sentiment. I also dislike the unmitigated spread of large vehicles everywhere.
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Kurtatron said:
I wish people would buy small cars, but it’s not the culture these days.

Realistically I think the only way it will change is very high gas prices.
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The trucking industry has grown like crazy, the roads are chock a block full of semi’s, with trucking warehouses everywhere now. Survivability remains a factor
 
ripcord said:
I posted this recently but it seems appropriate here. From a recent trip to Costco:

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When I was on the school run recently, there was a current generation Tahoe parked next to a mid-90's Oldsmobile 88.

Holy cow...in hindsight cars were tiny in the "good ol' days". The roof of the 88 barely cleared the hood of the Tahoe.

Time to go buy a Tahoe.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...g/420px-96-99_Oldsmobile_88_--_12-26-2009.jpg
 
Cujet said:
The trucking industry has grown like crazy, the roads are chock a block full of semi’s, with trucking warehouses everywhere now. Survivability remains a factor
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NHTSA reported 4965 fatal accidents caused by trucks weighing 10,000lbs+ out of 35,766 fatalities. So 13% fatalities caused by big trucks in 2020

Out of those 13%, guess how many the truck drivers died?

17%.

So yeah, bigger wins. Can’t win them all, that’s for sure. Do you have any data that shows there’s more trucks on the road than 30 years ago?

Top selling cars from 80s-90s were quite different than today.
 
Kurtatron said:
NHTSA reported 4965 fatal accidents caused by trucks weighing 10,000lbs+ out of 35,766 fatalities. So 13% fatalities caused by big trucks in 2020

Out of those 13%, guess how many the truck drivers died?

17%.

So yeah, bigger wins. Can’t win them all, that’s for sure. Do you have any data that shows there’s more trucks on the road than 30 years ago?

Top selling cars from 80s-90s were quite different than today.
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People that were driving cars are now driving trucks. I don't think that's a surprise to anyone. The F150 has been the best selling vehicle in the US for many years. Truck sales by percentage of total sales have increased nearly every year for at least 20 years.

As far as the numbers are concerned that you quote, consumer pickup trucks don't weigh 10k lbs, but it still makes for an interesting statistic on crashes and weight.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/199980/us-truck-sales-since-1951/
 
Torrid said:
People that were driving cars are now driving trucks. I don't think that's a surprise to anyone. The F150 has been the best selling vehicle in the US for many years. Truck sales by percentage of total sales have increased nearly every year for at least 20 years.

As far as the numbers are concerned that you quote, consumer pickup trucks don't weigh 10k lbs, but it still makes for an interesting statistic on crashes and weight.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/199980/us-truck-sales-since-1951/
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I was referring to Cujet, because I think he was talking about Semi trucks. Stats I referred to were about big heavy duty commercial trucks.
 
I guess I’m a fatalist at heart; I like cars under 185 inches long and under 3,800 pounds. I wish my Jeep weighed a lot less but I wanted a vehicle with serious off-road ability that was still economical to operate.
 
MCompact said:
I guess I’m a fatalist at heart; I like cars under 185 inches long and under 3,800 pounds. I wish my Jeep weighed a lot less but I wanted a vehicle with serious off-road ability that was still economical to operate.
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Those numbers are getting hard to hit these days. The base Tesla Model 3 lands perfectly on both those numbers. Everything else they make, not so much. I love small, lightweight cars. Unfortunately to go EV I had to make some concessions there to keep a rear hatch.
 
Kurtatron said:
Paying to win is in cars now too. Whoever throws more money at a bigger, beefier car, wins. No doubt about it. A heavy vehicle, but low to the ground (better than high), would win all others. Just put a battering ram on the front of it 😂
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Your wish is granted by the man himself:

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