2024 iseecars vehicle safety study the 23 most dangerous cars on the road

[Torrid]

"Two Teslas, the Model Y and Model S, make the most dangerous cars list despite Tesla’s advanced driver-assist technology"

Maybe because of it?

I would say it's a factor. I really would gladly take anyone here with me to demonstrate the system and show you what I think is wrong with it. Unfortunately any video you see of it on YouTube is just another person going on about how great it is and how relaxing it is to not have to drive while I watch the steering wheel turn in a jerky motion around a corner. How is this relaxing to anybody? I've never felt more on edge in my life in a car I've owned. I think some people's risk assessment skills are broken. I trust me to drive and that's about it. I certainly don't trust a flawed software algorithm that's designed to "learn".

Many will say that it performs the task fine, it's just not as smooth as a regular driver. Yes, it's rough compared to what I would consider to be rough drivers. That's not good enough for me. If someone used FSD and isn't terrified at the stupidity it does, I genuinely question their judgment.

 

[2005jettatdi]

Raw numbers do not tell much. All of the cars on the list are very popular. More cars of that model on the road, more chance for fatal accidents. More miles traveled, more chance for fatal accidents.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Raw numbers do not tell much. All of the cars on the list are very popular. More cars of that model on the road, more chance for fatal accidents. More miles traveled, more chance for fatal accidents.

The chart is per billion vehicle miles.

 

[blueglide88]

I didn't know a midsize crossover was a tinker toy.

I didn't say anything about a midsize crossover.

My comment was a direct response to you speaking out about heavier and larger vehicles on our roads.

I don't care what you drive, it's none of my business.
I also don't think it's anybody else's business what I drive, or what the next person drives.

 

[duck__dodgers]

As I mentioned above, I suspect some form of vehicle deficiency. Or a combination of factors, such as distractions, vehicle dynamics, stability systems like the ones in older Mustangs that end up causing spinouts. That kind of thing.

I wonder if the CRV hybrid's braking system has some influence too.

 

[Torrid]

I didn't say anything about a midsize crossover.

My comment was a direct response to you speaking out about heavier and larger vehicles on our roads.

I don't care what you drive, it's none of my business.
I also don't think it's anybody else's business what I drive, or what the next person drives.

To be honest I really don't care what anyone drives as long as they don't hit me with it. I can't account for that last part though and it's my only aversion to heavier vehicles. Not everyone is as responsible as likely you or I are. That concerns me.

 

[2005jettatdi]

The chart is per billion vehicle miles.

I was referring to this chart, posted farther down on the first page:

 

[Torrid]

^Is that the 4 trucks on the list killing the drivers in all the smaller vehicles on that list?

I know that sounds like a snarky joke, but that may be a legitimate possibility.

 

[SC Maintenance]

I was referring to this chart, posted farther down on the first page:
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Is this weighted by percentage on the road? Or by mile? Just saying XYZ vehicle has the most deaths with no contex isn't very useful.

 

[blueglide88]

^Is that the 4 trucks on the list killing the drivers in all the smaller vehicles on that list?

I know that sounds like a snarky joke, but that may be a legitimate possibility.

No, that's the chart showing drivers of small vehicles showing no concern for their safety.

 

[Torrid]

No, that's the chart showing drivers of small vehicles showing no concern for their safety.

It could be both!

Honestly I don't think this chart tells us enough. All we know that the car was involved in the accident. It's interesting info, but I don't know that it taught me anything.

 

[ripcord]

I'd be highly interested in seeing the accident RATES included in these specs. The topic is super complicated with many, many factors.

Do certain cars get into severe crashes more often? Do they have a complicated, distracting, or difficult to use entertainment systems? Are they more often purchased by younger drivers? Senior drivers? So many factors are involved beyond just structural integrity and crash worthiness.

 

[camrydriver111]

If a pickup collides with a small car obviously the damage to the small car will be greater and there will be greater chance of death.

If the statistic is being involved in a deadly crash we will see both large and small cars.

If the statistic is for which car the death occurs in, it will be small cars.

The IIHS has talked about this and has a video on their youtube page. Large vehicles keep the occupants safer, but are more deadly to others.

 

[Torrid]

I'd be highly interested in seeing the accident RATES included in these specs. The topic is super complicated with many, many factors.

Do certain cars get into severe crashes more often? Do they have a complicated, distracting, or difficult to use entertainment systems? Are they more often purchased by younger drivers? Senior drivers? So many factors are involved beyond just structural integrity and crash worthiness.

It just tells us what instead of how or why. It's good information for insurance companies, but I don't know if it tells us much helpful as a consumer.

If a pickup collides with a small car obviously the damage to the small car will be greater and there will be greater chance of death.

If the statistic is being involved in a deadly crash we will see both large and small cars.

If the statistic is for which car the death occurs in, it will be small cars.

The IIHS has talked about this and has a video on their youtube page. Large vehicles keep the occupants safer, but are more deadly to others.

That was my point with it. Because of how the data is compiled, many of these wrecks were between each other on the list based on sheer numbers. It's a data point, but how that data displays is extremely vague.

 

[ripcord]

I posted this recently but it seems appropriate here. From a recent trip to Costco:

 

[Torrid]

I posted this recently but it seems appropriate here. From a recent trip to Costco:

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People don't want to hear that though. You're supposed to buy one to keep your family safe from the person in the smaller car.

 

[ripcord]

People don't want to hear that though. You're supposed to buy one to keep your family safe from the person in the smaller car.

To be clear, we don't like driving a plastic roller skate car. It sucks and was the "wrong" but right choice. The wife has a 250 plus mile commute so it was a matter of economics. The Expedition sits in the driveway due to west coast gas prices

 

[SC Maintenance]

People don't want to hear that though. You're supposed to buy one to keep your family safe from the person in the smaller car.

So what is your end game? What changes are you hoping to accomplish.

You said above your not interested in telling others what to drive, so what is your point?

 

[Torrid]

So what is your end game? What changes are you hoping to accomplish.

You said above your not interested in telling others what to drive, so what is your point?

My point is that I've had multiple people here tell me if I care about safety I'd buy a big truck. It sounds like a really backwards approach to me. Maybe we could find a way to crash less tonnage overall into each other.

It really isn't the vehicle that's the problem. Inattentive drivers are the real problem. They sure have a boatload of metal to hit you with available though and who knows how well it's maintained or how good the brakes actually are?

The tech and engineering in modern vehicles is amazing... when it's maintained. I've been on the receiving end of a lot accidents over the years. People just aren't paying attention and many don't maintain their brakes. Luckily none have been over 30mph. Every single one was a rear end accident when I was already stopped waiting to make a turn, except for one where I was stopped at a red light. Maybe I just have bad luck.

 

[SC Maintenance]

My point is that I've had multiple people here tell me if I care about safety I'd buy a big truck. It sounds like a really backwards approach to me. Maybe we could find a way to crash less tonnage overall into each other.

It really isn't the vehicle that's the problem. Inattentive drivers are the real problem. They sure have a boatload of metal to hit you with available though and who knows how well it's maintained or how good the brakes actually are?

The tech and engineering in modern vehicles is amazing... when it's maintained. I've been on the receiving end of a lot accidents over the years. People just aren't paying attention and many don't maintain their brakes. Luckily none have been over 30mph. Every single one was a rear end accident when I was already stopped waiting to make a turn, except for one where I was stopped at a red light. Maybe I just have bad luck.

I 100% agree with that, so it would seem the solution is to a) focus on keeping drivers attentive, and b) getting the tech into vehicles sooner than later, rather than worry about what vehicle anyone drives?

As you mentioned, being rear-ended is the most likely accident, and there is almost no reason for it to ever happen, but around here if you leave 0.1 inches of extra space between you and the car ahead someone will take it, and there usually texting while they do it. And I have watched LEO drive on by someone obviosly texting without a care in the world.

So in the end, I agree with your statements, but the only potential logical outcome is to protect yourself with a larger vehicle, until such time that someone in charge starts to give a rip. Not holding my breath on that last part.