2015 Rav 4 xle taking longer to turn over 45F

[apollo18]

Hey all got a 15 Rav 4, and normally in the south where I’m from it’s always warm in mornings so never had an issue starting at any temperatureu

However ever since I’ve been in the North for last week it’s been about 45-50f in morning and today when I I started it it took pretty long to start, felt like I had to hold it for much longer then usual. It still started on first turn but I could hear the engine / starter noise for the whole 2 seconds and then it started right up.

I’ll check voltage later in evening but wondering if this is signs of my batt or starter going bad or is this normal for 45f temp?


Thanks

 

[Dr_Dr3i]

Longer cranking vs slower cranking?

If on the original '15 battery, might be time to get a new before winter.

 

[supton]

New battery time. Battery might last a while doing this--or quit. If it's going on 10 years old, then it's time.

FWIW, on my prior Toyota's, they cranked very easily and so I think I was able to sneak by with really poor condition batteries--I usually wait for a no-start then replace. These things just went and went... I also tended to use 0W20 and so cranking load was really low. Now I try to replace every 5-6 years, although the OEM Panasonics do seem to last and last (at least for me, YMMV).

 

[mclasser]

Sounds like the battery. An auto parts store can test it for free.

 

[apollo18]

Longer cranking vs slower cranking?

If on the original '15 battery, might be time to get a new before winter.

Hmm seems like longer duration but there both so similar so not exactly sure which. I guess best way is to get it tested but was hoping it would last for another 2 weeks so I could worry about it when home

 

[apollo18]

New battery time. Battery might last a while doing this--or quit. If it's going on 10 years old, then it's time.

FWIW, on my prior Toyota's, they cranked very easily and so I think I was able to sneak by with really poor condition batteries--I usually wait for a no-start then replace. These things just went and went... I also tended to use 0W20 and so cranking load was really low. Now I try to replace every 5-6 years, although the OEM Panasonics do seem to last and last (at least for me, YMMV).

Yeah **** makes sense thanks for the input. I’ll get it tested. It’s only 2-3 years old but vehicle is used and I believe last owner short tripped this battery

 

[supton]

Yeah **** makes sense thanks for the input. I’ll get it tested. It’s only 2-3 years old but vehicle is used and I believe last owner short tripped this battery

It's possible. You could try charging the battery on a smart charger. But maybe it's just time.

On my 4 wheeler, I use a UR1 or whatever lawnmower battery. At some point it seemed to crank a bit slower, the one cylinder 230cc engine. Didn't think much of it--until I put the batter back into my twin cylinder Kohler. Wouldn't crank fast enough to start. Big difference in starter types.

 

[dogememe]

Quick question... slightly off topic... do you actually have to hold the key to crank in your 2015 Toyota? Literally every vehicle I've owned that was 20 years old or less... 2004 Trailblazer, 2010 Escape, etc. (Excluding used cop car Crown Vics) Had "auto crank" or whatever it's called. Where you just put the key to start for a moment and let go and the computer cranks the engine for however long it needs to.

Anyway, beyond that, to speak to your issue, I'd test the battery at minimum or just replace it if it's more than 3 years old.

 

[apollo18]

Quick question... slightly off topic... do you actually have to hold the key to crank in your 2015 Toyota? Literally every vehicle I've owned that was 20 years old or less... 2004 Trailblazer, 2010 Escape, etc. (Excluding used cop car Crown Vics) Had "auto crank" or whatever it's called. Where you just put the key to start for a moment and let go and the computer cranks the engine for however long it needs to.

Anyway, beyond that, to speak to your issue, I'd test the battery at minimum or just replace it if it's more than 3 years old.

yeah i tried that but it seems to not like that.i believe i do have to hold it

 

[apollo18]

any idea on correct battery for 2015 rav 4 xle? not sure if it came with a 24f or a 35 as theres two resources going around and the one in mine rn is aftermarket so not sure if its even to spec

 

[IndyIan]

Quick question... slightly off topic... do you actually have to hold the key to crank in your 2015 Toyota? Literally every vehicle I've owned that was 20 years old or less... 2004 Trailblazer, 2010 Escape, etc. (Excluding used cop car Crown Vics) Had "auto crank" or whatever it's called. Where you just put the key to start for a moment and let go and the computer cranks the engine for however long it needs to.

Anyway, beyond that, to speak to your issue, I'd test the battery at minimum or just replace it if it's more than 3 years old.

I was going to say I've limped weak batteries along for 3 years! 0W20 in winter is good for that.
But also my batteries rarely see any heat worth mentioning, so I don't know how fast a battery can degrade in 90+F stuck in traffic usage.

 

[dogememe]

any idea on correct battery for 2015 rav 4 xle? not sure if it came with a 24f or a 35 as theres two resources going around and the one in mine rn is aftermarket so not sure if its even to spec

The only difference is the length. Do you have a 35 or 24F/24R in there right now? If you have a 24F/R already, stick with that... if you have a 35, look at the tray and space and see if a battery an inch or so longer will fit. If so, go with the larger battery. They are usually the same price and bigger batteries tend to last a bit longer.

 

[supton]

Quick question... slightly off topic... do you actually have to hold the key to crank in your 2015 Toyota?

OMG, Toyota is really cheap. Really REALLY cheap.

My 2011 Camry, had to hold the key.
My 2010 Tundra, just had to bump the key.
My 2021 Camry, just have to bump the button.
My 2021 Corolla, have hold the key.

At least the Corolla has auto up/down on all windows. BUT it'll sit there with a warning if you leave the headlight switch on. Shame on me for getting the base model cheapo car. *sigh*

 

[supton]

FWIW on my Tundra it came with the larger battery, but I stuck a smaller 24F in. That way I could swap between my cars (that took the same battery). I had already "proven" that it would start with almost no capacity; the larger battery surely was good for plowing, towing big trailers or other things with heavy electrical load (that I didn't do). If you're not going above the Artic circle I can't see why the bigger battery is necessary (but I stay in relatively warm NH so YMMV).

 

[dogememe]

OMG, Toyota is really cheap. Really REALLY cheap.

My 2011 Camry, had to hold the key.
My 2010 Tundra, just had to bump the key.
My 2021 Camry, just have to bump the button.
My 2021 Corolla, have hold the key.

At least the Corolla has auto up/down on all windows. BUT it'll sit there with a warning if you leave the headlight switch on. Shame on me for getting the base model cheapo car. *sigh*

That's why I just had to comment. I think it's such a minor daily usability convenience feature. If a $2000 2004 Trailblazer LS (base model) can auto-crank, then anything in 2015 should, IMO.

However, you are lucky you have auto up/down on all windows on your basic Corolla. My 2.5x the price Prologue only has it on the front windows. Now I can call out GM for being cheap

 

[dogememe]

FWIW on my Tundra it came with the larger battery, but I stuck a smaller 24F in. That way I could swap between my cars (that took the same battery). I had already "proven" that it would start with almost no capacity; the larger battery surely was good for plowing, towing big trailers or other things with heavy electrical load (that I didn't do). If you're not going above the Artic circle I can't see why the bigger battery is necessary (but I stay in relatively warm NH so YMMV).

Yeah, plus, depending where you buy batteries, 27s are not as common so either might not be in stock or, if in stock, aged more than a 24 as 24s are super common.

 

[apollo18]

The only difference is the length. Do you have a 35 or 24F/24R in there right now? If you have a 24F/R already, stick with that... if you have a 35, look at the tray and space and see if a battery an inch or so longer will fit. If so, go with the larger battery. They are usually the same price and bigger batteries tend to last a bit longer.

gothca thanks its a used vehicle ill check later, i believe the last owner popped in a 35 so just for sake of ease ill prob do that but if it originally came with 24f then prob will do that so that i get more cca, but really dont got the time atm on the road to be messing with brackets etc so its a lose lose situation

 

[dogememe]

gothca thanks its a used vehicle ill check later, i believe the last owner popped in a 35 so just for sake of ease ill prob do that but if it originally came with 24f then prob will do that so that i get more cca, but really dont got the time atm on the road to be messing with brackets etc so its a lose lose situation

The only difference is the 35 is 1" less in length. Width and height are the same, so the same bracket will work. It just depends if the tray and space is long enough to fit the longer battery.

If you don't want to mess with it, just put in another 35 - you will be OK. But if you can take a minute to investigate, I'd say it's worth fitting the bigger battery for no extra cost, if it'll fit.

 

[apollo18]

The only difference is the 35 is 1" less in length. Width and height are the same, so the same bracket will work. It just depends if the tray and space is long enough to fit the longer battery.

If you don't want to mess with it, just put in another 35 - you will be OK. But if you can take a minute to investigate, I'd say it's worth fitting the bigger battery for no extra cost, if it'll fit.

yeah gotcha ty ill take a look

do u know if everstart maxx is the best buy atm? or should i get one of the other ones for the price

 

[apollo18]

seems like everstart maxx 24f or 35 is gonna run me $140, is this the best batt to get or should i opt for the lesser ones like the regular or the plus?