2015 Golf GTD

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Sporty and economical, but it'll cost as much as a GTI which is even more fun.

40 mpg hwy is good, but not THAT good, IMO.


http://www.edmunds.com/volkswagen/golf/2015/road-test1.html


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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
nice looking but those vw's are full of problems unless they improved.


funny that ours hasnt had a single issue...
 
Curious to see where it'll be made. Historically, in terms of reliability, the Germany made VWs faired better than their Mexico made brethren.
 
I love the first response that they are full of problems. Not to start a war, but I have owned 7 VW vehicles and had VERY few problems with them. When I have had an issue, it's been resolved quickly. Even more, I am super anal about my cars, so most folks probably wouldnt have even seen my problems as problems with their own cars.

While the German cars might be a little better quality, I have had great experience with the cars built in Mexico!
 
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
nice looking but those vw's are full of problems unless they improved.


The European built ones (Golf, GTI, Jetta Wagon) seem to be quite reliable.

The Mexican built(Jetta, Beetle) for US stuff is where they get their some of their "reputation".

No idea how the US built Passat is.
 
This spells more serious European coming to the USA. I agree with QP that 40 mpg isn't very impressive on the highway, but otherwise the GTD reads like a very nice package.
 
it's rated 40 on the hwy...I would bet a small sum that you can definitely do better than that. I know I can on the 09+ Jetta TDIs.
 
Originally Posted By: BTLew81
it's rated 40 on the hwy...I would bet a small sum that you can definitely do better than that.

Certainly. The point I was trying to make is that the GTI is rated at 33, and you can definitely do better there, too. For someone looking for better performance, is the difference between 33 and 40 large enough? For someone focused on fuel economy first and performance a close second, the GTD should certainly be something to consider though.
 
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
nice looking but those vw's are full of problems unless they improved.

Let's face it, someone who is only concerned about reliability is likely not going to consider this VW at all. There are other reasons why this car may appeal to certain customer segments.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
nice looking but those vw's are full of problems unless they improved.


The European built ones (Golf, GTI, Jetta Wagon) seem to be quite reliable.

The Mexican built(Jetta, Beetle) for US stuff is where they get their some of their "reputation".

No idea how the US built Passat is.


really? my 1998 jetta tdi was built in mexico, it drives perfectly, the alternator is the original oem unit, all I have done for maintenance is change the oil, brakes, timing belt (routine wear items)

zero rust

and all of the electronics work including the cruise control
 
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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
nice looking but those vw's are full of problems unless they improved.



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Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
nice looking but those vw's are full of problems unless they improved.



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Ha!
VW is now what, a third largest automaker in the world? And everybody is so worried about their reliability. Yet if you question the supposed Toyota reliability claims it always comes down to "if they weren't, people wouldn't buy them in such numbers". I guess all those people buying Toyotas are smart, while all those people buying VWs must be fools.
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VW "reliability" and quality issues did indeed come up in some of the older cars - think 1.8T sludgemonsters. A friend had an 01 GTI 1.8T that fell apart around the engine (we put him on M1 0w-40 early), and he traded the car at around 180k. But things like the glovebox, plastic parts, SRS, ABS, etc did have issues - and those cars do seem to be known for electrical gremlins.

The GTD with >>200 lb-ft of torque will be a good drive, 140hp or not. Heck, one of the reasons why cars like the GTI are good drives is because they make torque down low, which a diesel does naturally.

I do have to wonder why a GTD would take a hit, if it has to do with performance rubber, or if perhaps they use more aggressive gearing in the vehicle...

Can I hear 7-speed manual? (will it fit in a transverse application?).
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
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The GTD with >>200 lb-ft of torque will be a good drive, 140hp or not. Heck, one of the reasons why cars like the GTI are good drives is because they make torque down low, which a diesel does naturally.

I do have to wonder why a GTD would take a hit, if it has to do with performance rubber, or if perhaps they use more aggressive gearing in the vehicle...

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European GTDs have ~180 HP this is the major hold up on us getting it because it means either certifying a new engine or bringing a GTD that really isn't a GTD because it has the "normal" US engine.

More info here too: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...238#Post2922238

Incidentally the "normal" US engine will be 150hp sometime next year.

While it is arguably possible that Puebla built cars were less reliable than German built cars in the distant past, It just isn't so now.

I'd be willing to bet this car will be built in Puebla if it comes here and that it will be trouble free and that there will still be a bunch of clueless dingleberries here talking about how horrible Mexico VW's are.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder


I'd be willing to bet this car will be built in Puebla if it comes here and that it will be trouble free and that there will still be a bunch of clueless dingleberries here talking about how horrible Mexico VW's are.




That myth of German cars being unreliable will probably never die in either of our lifetimes. I've stopped arguing with people about it because they just prefer to dig their heels in...fine with me if they want to miss out on that ownership experience.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm


That myth of German cars being unreliable will probably never die in either of our lifetimes. I've stopped arguing with people about it because they just prefer to dig their heels in...fine with me if they want to miss out on that ownership experience.


I've had the ownership experience. It's always exciting to guess what my pinball machine, err...dashboard is going to light up next! I'm cool without it...

I normally stay out of VW threads, because I know I'm biased. That said, it's like any brand, they have some good models and not-so-good models. JZHR's comments about the car "falling apart around the drivetrain" was my experience, 3 different times. Engines and transmissions were great. This was on older cars (a Eurovan and 2 GTI's), but you're right, it takes a while to get past bad experiences, especially when it happens to you. It doesn't help when the 2 VW owners I know well have had tons of problems with newer models. I also respect the difference between anecdote and data, so I realize this doesn't mean much, but that's my experience.

For the more modern diesels though (such as the GTD), I personally wouldn't buy one until I'm convinced that the HPFP issue is resolved, or they have a less-expensive fix available. I realize that statistically it's not a a huge chance of happening, but I'm not really down with repairs that exceed the cost of the vehicle. If your fuel pump blows up 5-7 years after you buy it, that's your situation. As someone who keeps cars for a long time, that's a deal-breaker for me--which is a shame, because the Sportwagen is otherwise the ideal car for me.
 
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