When I checked that particular Fram it was also Made in China. I guess it depends on the batch.
2012 Passat - VW 502, 503 and 504 valid?
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they are all made in China now... with similar construction to a Hengst filter.
That german Fram looks exactly likethe Mann/Hengst. The chinese ones you can squeeze and feel them about the break, even when new. The Germans will never feel like that, even after 15k. Always firms and never comes apart.
Originally Posted By: Audios
That german Fram looks exactly likethe Mann/Hengst. The chinese ones you can squeeze and feel them about the break, even when new. The Germans will never feel like that, even after 15k. Always firms and never comes apart.
The German looks like Mann/Mahle
I have the Chinese filter in my oil filter right now... another 3k miles... and I'll see what it looks like
...but no paper end caps, right???
I also been curious why Mobil charges $20 for their equivalent filer
That german Fram looks exactly likethe Mann/Hengst. The chinese ones you can squeeze and feel them about the break, even when new. The Germans will never feel like that, even after 15k. Always firms and never comes apart.
The German looks like Mann/Mahle
I have the Chinese filter in my oil filter right now... another 3k miles... and I'll see what it looks like
...but no paper end caps, right???
I also been curious why Mobil charges $20 for their equivalent filer
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The real question to ask is: What oil spec is toughest, offering the best for wear and deposits? I am not sure what to think of the Lubrizol Relative Performance Comparison Tool, as it has the VW 504/507 spec being the best. Anybody know?
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/lubrizol/EOACEA2009/RPTOOL2010Dep/rp/pc/index.html
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/lubrizol/EOACEA2009/RPTOOL2010Dep/rp/pc/index.html
in my 01 jetta 1.8T after 5000 break-in i ran 10-30 amsoil full synthetic changed at 10,000 intervals, mann filters, traded in at 199xxx miles still running well with minimal oil consumption, usually at 25 lb boost, i would drain the dealers free change and save it for my girlfriends car!!! they refused to use my oil
Originally Posted By: RollerRocker
The real question to ask is: What oil spec is toughest, offering the best for wear and deposits? I am not sure what to think of the Lubrizol Relative Performance Comparison Tool, as it has the VW 504/507 spec being the best. Anybody know?
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/lubrizol/EOACEA2009/RPTOOL2010Dep/rp/pc/index.html
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
A lot depends on the OCI I guess.
The real question to ask is: What oil spec is toughest, offering the best for wear and deposits? I am not sure what to think of the Lubrizol Relative Performance Comparison Tool, as it has the VW 504/507 spec being the best. Anybody know?
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/lubrizol/EOACEA2009/RPTOOL2010Dep/rp/pc/index.html
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
A lot depends on the OCI I guess.
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Is NOT the oil to use in the 2.5L engine. Been through this a lot. M1 ESP while great oil, does not have sufficient TBN retention to support the OCIs that are designed in by the manufacturer on NA high sulfur gasoline.
If the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, the OCI should not be more than 5k miles.
M1 0w-40 is the better choice for ga$$ers.
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Is NOT the oil to use in the 2.5L engine. Been through this a lot. M1 ESP while great oil, does not have sufficient TBN retention to support the OCIs that are designed in by the manufacturer on NA high sulfur gasoline.
If the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, the OCI should not be more than 5k miles.
M1 0w-40 is the better choice for ga$$ers.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Is NOT the oil to use in the 2.5L engine. Been through this a lot. M1 ESP while great oil, does not have sufficient TBN retention to support the OCIs that are designed in by the manufacturer on NA high sulfur gasoline.
If the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, the OCI should not be more than 5k miles.
M1 0w-40 is the better choice for ga$$ers.
+1
VW502
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Is NOT the oil to use in the 2.5L engine. Been through this a lot. M1 ESP while great oil, does not have sufficient TBN retention to support the OCIs that are designed in by the manufacturer on NA high sulfur gasoline.
If the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, the OCI should not be more than 5k miles.
M1 0w-40 is the better choice for ga$$ers.
+1
VW502
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Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Is NOT the oil to use in the 2.5L engine. Been through this a lot. M1 ESP while great oil, does not have sufficient TBN retention to support the OCIs that are designed in by the manufacturer on NA high sulfur gasoline.
If the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, the OCI should not be more than 5k miles.
M1 0w-40 is the better choice for ga$$ers.
+1
VW502
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Yes, but we were already discussing a different application - the guy who asked about M1 ESP 5w-30 has a BMW diesel engine. That is who I was responding to. Not to the OP.
Just wanted to clarify that I was not suggesting the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, in case somebody got that impression.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Is NOT the oil to use in the 2.5L engine. Been through this a lot. M1 ESP while great oil, does not have sufficient TBN retention to support the OCIs that are designed in by the manufacturer on NA high sulfur gasoline.
If the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, the OCI should not be more than 5k miles.
M1 0w-40 is the better choice for ga$$ers.
+1
VW502
end of thread
Yes, but we were already discussing a different application - the guy who asked about M1 ESP 5w-30 has a BMW diesel engine. That is who I was responding to. Not to the OP.
Just wanted to clarify that I was not suggesting the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, in case somebody got that impression.
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Is NOT the oil to use in the 2.5L engine. Been through this a lot. M1 ESP while great oil, does not have sufficient TBN retention to support the OCIs that are designed in by the manufacturer on NA high sulfur gasoline.
If the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, the OCI should not be more than 5k miles.
M1 0w-40 is the better choice for ga$$ers.
+1
VW502
end of thread
From another thread. The US is NOT plagued with high sulfer content and 504 is a good spec of any VW gasoline engine. 502 is not the end all be all for VW motors.
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Apparently, I'm the guy with the "shop floor knowledge" who "rudely dismissed" the assertion that 504.00 oils would "not perform well when dealing with 300+ PPM sulfur fuels". This was after questioning the validity of the very claim seen here, that we are provided with fuels containing sulfur limits of 300-1000 PPM.
All I can say is that I pointed out that the figures you were citing were referencing sulfur content by percentage of weight. You suggested that I should "do the math" to get the PPM figures. The only problem with your theory is that simply calculating out hundredths of a percent, by weight, does not give you PPM, by volume.
As to your continuing assertion of high gasoline sulfur levels, and that I haven't a clue what I'm speaking of, I'd suggest you get your facts straight before "trying to explain" them to anyone. Spreading falsehoods does nothing to contribute to the knowledge available on this site.
Here is the current Code of Federal Regulations requirements for gasoline sulfur levels... http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/tex....8.48.3&idno=40 as provided by the Government Printing Office. I don't know how you can get a more authoritative source than this, when it comes to what the requirements are. If you've got one, I'm sure we'd all be happy to see it.
You'll notice that the "Refinery or Importer Average" limit is 30 PPM, precisely as I have asserted. The "Per-Gallon Cap" is 80 PPM, as stated by bruno, which allows for potential fuel contamination during transport. These limits have been in effect for more than three years.
So, how does this affect your ongoing statements that 504.00 oils can't deal with the US market's "300+ PPM sulfur fuels"?
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Any oil which has both VW 507.00 & MB 229.51?
M1 ESP 5w-30.
Is NOT the oil to use in the 2.5L engine. Been through this a lot. M1 ESP while great oil, does not have sufficient TBN retention to support the OCIs that are designed in by the manufacturer on NA high sulfur gasoline.
If the OP runs M1 ESP 5w-30, the OCI should not be more than 5k miles.
M1 0w-40 is the better choice for ga$$ers.
+1
VW502
end of thread
From another thread. The US is NOT plagued with high sulfer content and 504 is a good spec of any VW gasoline engine. 502 is not the end all be all for VW motors.
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Apparently, I'm the guy with the "shop floor knowledge" who "rudely dismissed" the assertion that 504.00 oils would "not perform well when dealing with 300+ PPM sulfur fuels". This was after questioning the validity of the very claim seen here, that we are provided with fuels containing sulfur limits of 300-1000 PPM.
All I can say is that I pointed out that the figures you were citing were referencing sulfur content by percentage of weight. You suggested that I should "do the math" to get the PPM figures. The only problem with your theory is that simply calculating out hundredths of a percent, by weight, does not give you PPM, by volume.
As to your continuing assertion of high gasoline sulfur levels, and that I haven't a clue what I'm speaking of, I'd suggest you get your facts straight before "trying to explain" them to anyone. Spreading falsehoods does nothing to contribute to the knowledge available on this site.
Here is the current Code of Federal Regulations requirements for gasoline sulfur levels... http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/tex....8.48.3&idno=40 as provided by the Government Printing Office. I don't know how you can get a more authoritative source than this, when it comes to what the requirements are. If you've got one, I'm sure we'd all be happy to see it.
You'll notice that the "Refinery or Importer Average" limit is 30 PPM, precisely as I have asserted. The "Per-Gallon Cap" is 80 PPM, as stated by bruno, which allows for potential fuel contamination during transport. These limits have been in effect for more than three years.
So, how does this affect your ongoing statements that 504.00 oils can't deal with the US market's "300+ PPM sulfur fuels"?
On filters, how much are those Fram filters compared to the OEM ones from the dealer? If it's not much difference then why not just buy OEM? I just have a better experience and peace of mind with OEM filters than any after market ones. As for oil, 502 or 504, whichever is cheaper and readily available would be my choice. I'm guessing the former.
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You need 502.
504 is for European cars due to the different fuel.
504 is for European cars due to the different fuel.
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