2007 Mazdaspeed 3, 2.3T DISI, OEM Fill

[gwood]

Hi Folks,

There is my break in fill on my Mazdaspeed3. Details:

2007 Mazdaspeed 3
2.3L DISI Turbo
Air Filter: OEM
Oil Filter: OEM
Miles on oil: 1900
Miles on vehicle: 1900

Iron-------23
Copper----234
Tin--------0
Lead-------2
Chromium--1
Nickel------1
Aluminum---7
Titanium----0
Silver-------0
Calcium-----1366
Magnesium--8
Zinc--------718
Phosphorus--825
Barium-------18
Molybdenum--72
Antimony-----0
Silicon-------50
Sodium------7
Boron-------1
Potassium---0
Vanadium---0

Viscosity 40C/100C (cSt) = (40C) 48.3 **(100C) 9.02
TAN = 1.48
Flashpoint=335
Oxidation=12
Nitration=12
Water (KF - ppm)= 691
TBN=3.2
Fuel=1.16
Soot=0
Glycol/Coolant=0.15
Viscosity Index
Sulfate Byproducts=18

Daily drive is pretty harsh. Either stop and go or hard driving in local canyons for long periods of time. I like me some WOT...should've dumped it much sooner than 1900, but oh well.

 

[VW-MAN]

Wow. Those Iron, Copper and Silicon numbers are scary. I sure hope your next interval is better.

 

[Eddie]

WOW; look at the 1.6% fuel!!!!!!!!!! I just changed the factory fill in my CX7 and will be doing a UOA in about 4-5 months. Ed

 

[gwood]

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Wow. Those Iron, Copper and Silicon numbers are scary. I sure hope your next interval is better.

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I think it will be. Copper and Silicon numbers could be due to assembly lube residuals.

 

[gwood]

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WOW; look at the 1.6% fuel!!!!!!!!!! I just changed the factory fill in my CX7 and will be doing a UOA in about 4-5 months. Ed

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"1.16"...Definitely something to keep an eye on with this engine.

 

[blackdiamond]

I have an oil sample in the mail to Terry that should arrive any day. The Mobil 1 has just under 5,000 miles and the car was just under 10,000 miles. I changed the factory fill at 700 miles and then ran dealer provided conventional to just under 5,000 miles. I have Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 in the car currently and have like the quieter and smoother feel compared to the Mobil 1. I'll post a UOA as soon as I get one back. It should give you a better idea of what to expect in the future.

 

[Pablo]

Any comment on the glycol number?

Fe doesn't bug me, but is there any other like engines for comparison on the Cu blow? Oil cooler for the turbo?

 

[Bobert]

Yikes!.. glycol + fuel + turbo = Keep your interval short. 3000 max until you figure out whats going on.

 

[unDummy]

Nothing is going on. Its the factory fill on a turbo motor seriously leaching cu from the cu/al oil:water exchanger. All the 2.3 turbos looks scary compared to the NA versions of this motor. I also wonder if some of the Cu is from the turbo bearings or from the added stress that the crank sees.

Definitely good data for the 'dump the factory fill ASAP' crowd.

I would consider several short OCIs before going the Mazda recommended interval. This will help rinse the engine.

Glycol could just be a fluke. But, I would get at least 1 or 2 more UOAs to make sure the headgasket and oil coolers aren't leaking.

If after several UOAs, the wear doesn't settle, I'd be quick to vote for the thicker oil crowd. Any synth 0w or 5w40 would be an option, and 10w40 synth if weather permits it.

 

[gwood]

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Nothing is going on. Its the factory fill on a turbo motor seriously leaching cu from the cu/al oil:water exchanger. All the 2.3 turbos looks scary compared to the NA versions of this motor. I also wonder if some of the Cu is from the turbo bearings or from the added stress that the crank sees.

Definitely good data for the 'dump the factory fill ASAP' crowd.

I would consider several short OCIs before going the Mazda recommended interval. This will help rinse the engine.

Glycol could just be a fluke. But, I would get at least 1 or 2 more UOAs to make sure the headgasket and oil coolers aren't leaking.

If after several UOAs, the wear doesn't settle, I'd be quick to vote for the thicker oil crowd. Any synth 0w or 5w40 would be an option, and 10w40 synth if weather permits it.

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Nail on the head IMO. Good read. Short OCIs are going to be the norm on the car for a while. I'll get another sample off to Terry after a couple OCs.

 

[JAG]

I'll just post what has not yet been mentioned...the water content is high. 500 ppm is considered the beginning of too high and it's 691 ppm. Water content is evil on oil.

 

[tripleM]

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Water content is evil on oil.

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Don't they not mix?

 

[JAG]

The one killer is the chemical reactions that occur between water and motor oil. http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...part=1&vc=1

 

[gwood]

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I'll just post what has not yet been mentioned...the water content is high. 500 ppm is considered the beginning of too high and it's 691 ppm. Water content is evil on oil.

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I concur. Definitely a "blip" that came up on my radar (that and the trace coolant which could be from assembly).

 

[blackdiamond]

I got word from Terry that my raw data is in and results are expected today or tomorrow. Hopefully, I can have something posted before Sunday.

 

[xcoldricex]

good to see some UOA's for this car. I dumped my factory fill at 1000 and put in PP 5w30. Thinking about getting a UOA done when I change it out at 4000 (maybe next week). I'm interested in seeing if Amsoil's oil would be any better but I don't have the funds right now so I might stick with PP for the next OC...

 

[blackdiamond]

My UOA is posted.

 

[Last_Z]

I agree with undummy 100%! Nothing to freak out about. I do think a thick 30W will help with the fuel problem.

Expect the copper and iron to literaly plummet from now on.