2000 F150 5.4L

[JakeGMCHD]

I am posting an oil analysis results for a friend who doesn't have internet access. Can you give him some input on these. Thanks
2000 F150 5.4L
Amsoil 5W-30 w/SDF-11 and K&N air filter
12,433 miles on oil/ 31,127 miles on truck
GLY COL/ NEG
Water/ Fuel/ Vis./ 12.0
Solids/ tr
OXD/ 26.7
NOX/ 47.1
TBN/ 6.2
Fe/ 242
Cr/ 4
Pb/ 2
Cu/ 23
Sn/ 1
Al/ 19
Ni/ 4
Ag/ 0
Mn/ 4
Si/ 34
B/ 31
Na/ 8
Mg/ 394
Ca/ 3120
Ba/ 0
P/ 1219
Zn/ 1571
Mo/ 18
Ti, V, Cd/ all 0

 

[satterfi]

The iron level would worry me. Silicon doesn't look to great either. Maybe those egines do that. Better get some expert advice.

 

[deepsquat]

I have seen over 100 reports on the web...and that is by far and away the highest Iron levels i have seen ....must have something wrong...(rings?) I don't know...but to give you an example my iron level after 22000 miles was 10

 

[deepsquat]

also the TBN is very low for an amsoil

 

[msparks]

Silicon 34

Hell I thought mine was bad at 24. You better tell him to dump that K&N. They don't work well in the F150 stock box. I dont' think they fit very well!!!

 

[msparks]

Nitration,

TBN,

FE Yikes,

Is this the first run of Amsoil. These numbers are not typical. For sure.

If you want to compare, use the middle numbers on my analysis. http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000082

I had 10K on the oil used the SDF 11 and had a K&N. The only thing high in mine was the Si, but comparing to the above, mine is low!

[ August 09, 2002, 08:11 AM: Message edited by: msparks ]

 

[Joel]

viscosity is creeping up which stays pretty good in line with the oxidation numbers, there is a lot of Iron though which would definately necessitate a change. I would agree with the others and replace the air filter also.

 

[gward]

Question regarding Ford 5.4 engines. I have used Pennzoil, LE, Royal Purple all at 5w30 and every 1,000 miles it uses a quart of oil. So I thought it was just the engine, but durning warranty the engine was replace and this engine is doing the same thing. Is everyone having the same problem? Any suggestion?

Thank You
Greg

 

[msparks]

quote:

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Originally posted by gward:
Question regarding Ford 5.4 engines. I have used Pennzoil, LE, Royal Purple all at 5w30 and every 1,000 miles it uses a quart of oil. So I thought it was just the engine, but durning warranty the engine was replace and this engine is doing the same thing. Is everyone having the same problem? Any suggestion?

Thank You
Greg

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My 4.6 is basically the same type of engine(triton over head cam,) and mine uses less than 1 quart in 10,000 miles.

 

[Chris A]

I had a 2000 Expedition with the 5.4 engine and it did not use any noticable (enough to top off) oil in between 3500 mi oil changes.

 

[Spector]

However, the silicon level is not way out of line when we see this very high iron number. With Iron that high I would expect to see Si in the 75-100 range. So, not sure that dirt is causing iron wear here, something else. If dirt other wear metals would also be elevated, well, a few are up there though.

Yes, the TBN also is about 50% of value however, some people believe that an oil should be replaced when the TBN reaches 50% of value or 2. It has a way to go before 2. Myself, I do not go beyond 12,000 on Amsoil as I have found my Si and wear meatls start to creep up at that point in my cars.

[ August 09, 2002, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Spector ]

 

[MolaKule]

Jake,

Question: Was this the Amsoil 5W30 HDD Series 3000?

I have used the above oil but never went past 8k.

 

[JakeGMCHD]

MolaKule & msparks,
This was Amsoil ASL 5W-30. He ran this oil for one year and has dumped it. This was the first run of Amsoil in this truck. I will let him know about the air filter not working. Thanks for looking at his oil analysis. We are still wondering why the Fe is so high. I wish he would have done a base line analysis before switching to Amsoil.
On edit he had added 1/2 a quart in 6 months before the filter change. This was happening before switching to Amsoil.

[ August 09, 2002, 04:05 PM: Message edited by: JakeGMCHD ]

 

[widman]

Silicon is high, but maybe not for 12,000 miles, depending on the roads. That's why I like to change at 4,000 or so, depending on roads. But the iron is way too high. My opinion is because it was in the engine for a year. 12,000 miles in a year is not a lot, probably had periods with moisture sitting in it. Once the iron starts to show up it eats all of the anti-corrosives from the oil and it is all downhill from there. May explain the copper as well.

 

[GeorgeCLS]

Welcome your friend to the K&N club.. Very typical of what I see each and every day. High dirt (silicon) with high wear metals. High wear metals caused by intake dirt.. It is like putting a lapping compound in the oil. Additionally, Fords are notorious for induction leaks. I would suggest going back to OEM filter, do short changes with regular oil and oil analysis to:
1. eliminate the K&N as dirt source
2. if not K&N, find the dirt entry.. Which CAN be challenging with Fords, in particular. Had one fellow that took over a year to find the induction leak.
3. short change for engine flush.. It is full of contaminants.

It only takes one teaspoon of dirt to destroy a large CAT bulldozer engine. Much less for our smaller engines..
George Morrison, STLE CLS