$200 transfer tax removed for short barreled rifles and shotguns

[Elkins45]

Assuming Trump signs it (LOL) beginning January 1 the $200 transfer tax for short barreled rifles and shotguns, silencers and AOWs will be removed. You still have to submit an application with fingerprints and photos and all the other rules remain the same but the cost just went down.

Time to fire up the lathe and crank out a can for every rifle!

 

[burbguy82]

This thread will go south pretty quick I assume. I hope it stays out of the political gutter.

The removal of the tax was not what I was interested in. It was the removal of the ID and paperwork requirement......

I dont think the removal of a $200 tax stamp is going to change a market....... costs of products are so high in comparison to the "longer" counterpart. A mossberg shotgun= $400=.....SBS Mossberg $1500

As to suppressors, It is the same thing, maybe 50 bucks in material, maybe 1 hour labor in production, maybe.............$1000 bucks......

No change, other than the tax.........not enough for me.

 

[Cropduster172]

This thread will go south pretty quick I assume. I hope it stays out of the political gutter.

The removal of the tax was not what I was interested in. It was the removal of the ID and paperwork requirement......

I dont think the removal of a $200 tax stamp is going to change a market....... costs of products are so high in comparison to the "longer" counterpart. A mossberg shotgun= $400=.....SBS Mossberg $1500

As to suppressors, It is the same thing, maybe 50 bucks in material, maybe 1 hour labor in production, maybe.............$1000 bucks......

No change, other than the tax.........not enough for me.

Why I'll never own one. I just can't justify in my head, the accessory costing 3-4 times the price of the gun.

 

[Bottom_Feeder]

Why I'll never own one. I just can't justify in my head, the accessory costing 3-4 times the price of the gun.

Because 'winning' at the range = priceless.

 

[supton]

I wonder if prices would go down as demand goes up.

 

[ATex7239]

It would be a good first step. Having to petition the gov’t to own hearing protection is ridiculous.

 

[Pablo]

Logic went out the window when the controlists came into power

 

[KCJeep]

I’ve never understood the short barreled rifle thing. I can have an evil concealable handgun but a rifle that’s much bigger is somehow even more evil?

Silencer’s are just the stupid hit man movie stereotype stuff, also irrational but at least I can see where it came from.

 

[ATex7239]

I’ve never understood the short barreled rifle thing. I can have an evil concealable handgun but a rifle that’s much bigger is somehow even more evil?

Silencer’s are just the stupid hit man movie stereotype stuff, also irrational but at least I can see where it came from.

The NFA came from the prohibition era and well funded organized gangs using sawed off shotguns and full auto BARs and Thompsons to out gun law enforcement. But now with shotgun and rifle caliber pistols being so prevalent the short barrel laws in this country make zero sense.

 

[Hall]

This thread will go south pretty quick I assume. I hope it stays out of the political gutter.

I didn't bother replying yesterday 'cause I figured it would get locked pretty quick. Then again, it depends on which "side" a topic leans towards....

The removal of the tax was not what I was interested in. It was the removal of the ID and paperwork requirement......

I believe registration and approval are still required through the ATF. The only change is the removal of the tax.

As to suppressors, It is the same thing, maybe 50 bucks in material, maybe 1 hour labor in production, maybe.............$1000 bucks......

Why I'll never own one. I just can't justify in my head, the accessory costing 3-4 times the price of the gun.

I wonder if prices would go down as demand goes up.

I believe prices will drop. Currently, the manufacturers know that they have a captive market, people who are willing to pay this tax per suppressor and at least in the past, wait weeks or months or longer for one of their devices. I suspect, and hope, others will flood the market and force pricing competition. At the current state, you're hard pressed to find suppressors for 9mm or ARs for under $500 and at that price, I'm not buying. If they get in the $250 range, I'm in though ! Sub-$300 suppressors are real things in other countries too.

 

[Astro14]

I wonder if prices would go down as demand goes up.

That’s the opposite of how supply and demand work…

If supply goes up, then, perhaps prices will come down.

Changing the price of the stamp from $200 to “free” while keeping all the Form 4 paperwork in place, with fingerprints, annual photographs, etc. isn’t exactly easing the process.

Taking $200 off the price of an item that costs between $800 and $1,400 isn’t likely to change demand much, either.

If anything, I expect prices to stay the same, or perhaps go up a bit as the market absorbs this change.

 

[Cropduster172]

That’s the opposite of how supply and demand work…

If supply goes up, then, perhaps prices will come down.

Changing the price of the stamp from $200 to “free” while keeping all the Form 4 paperwork in place, with fingerprints, annual photographs, etc. isn’t exactly easing the process.

Taking $200 off the price of an item that costs between $800 and $1,400 isn’t likely to change demand much, either.

If anything, I expect prices to stay the same, or perhaps go up a bit as the market absorbs this change.

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[supton]

Short term yes, prices go up. Until various manufacturers decide they want in. Remove the legalities (paperwork, federal fees, whatever) and let this become a chunk of machined parts, that anyone with a machine shop can make?

Although I am thinking specifically about cans. Short barrel anything would probably be the same price, the savings in metal isn’t there, compared to the rest of the assembly.

 

[rijndael]

There's going to be a lot of Form 1's going in for lowers folks have just sitting around.

 

[Astro14]

Why I'll never own one. I just can't justify in my head, the accessory costing 3-4 times the price of the gun.

What if the accessory costs half the price of the gun? Good glass often exceeds the price of the gun, for example.

The Q Trash Panda (titanium) on the front of my Daniel Defense .300 SBR is about half the price of the gun and totally transforms it.

The titanium keeps the weight down, so that you barely notice it’s there. The rifle is still about the same weight as a 16 inch barrel rifle without the suppressor. It is far quieter than without.

It is still about the same length as a regular rifle, but you have to shoot it to believe how quiet it is in operation. It is simply a pleasure to shoot. Less recoil, almost no noise with subs.

“Range cool”? Maybe. I get really tired of all of the super loud guns being shot at the range. 10 inch barrels in 556 with only a flash suppressor, for example. They’re just annoying. And you’re giving up so much performance in that cartridge with that barrel length that it falls much more into “tacticool” than a suppressed rifle.

So, if you’re looking for the real “range cool” gun, that would be it - cheap, loud, and ineffective.

The suppressor equipped rifle is the opposite of all that. At least, mine is.

 

[CarLuver]

Back when the $200 tax was instituted, $200 was lot of money , and kept those items out of the hands of those that could not pay. I too would have much preferred the removal of the paperwork needed . $200 is just a nice dinner out these days , so i doubt was really a hurdle for someone wanting a SBR or can .

I have many freinds with SBR and cans , and have shot them . they are to me , just another fun toy .

 

[dnewton3]

I am cautiously optimistic. I actually never thought I'd see the tax removed from some of the NFA items, yet here we are!
The tax is incidental to me. I own 4 NFA items.
What I want to see is suppressors, SBRs and SBSs taken off the NFA completely; make them normal "firearms" and only subject to a NICS check.

 

[burbguy82]

I get really tired of all of the super loud guns being shot at the range. 10 inch barrels in 556 with only a flash suppressor, for example. They’re just annoying. And you’re giving up so much performance in that cartridge with that barrel length that it falls much more into “tacticool” than a suppressed rifle.

Agreed. Most are not aware of some european requirements for suppressors. Perhaps for the annoyance factor....dont know. I normally dont shoot at indoor ranges but have benn around the draco crowd.....not fun.

Another facet would be that the military has plans to go all suppressed, for many reasons but one of which i suppose is the 3m hearing protector debacle. Military arms are specific to the 2nd amendment.

Back when the $200 tax was instituted, $200 was lot of money , and kept those items out of the hands of those that could not pay.

But on the flip side, mobsters could easily pay that 200 and pay another fella to get one for them

The normal fella, to whom would not use the gun for ill intent was most effected.

 

[ripcord]

Well, Trump signed the bill so the $0 tax is now the law. As soon as he signed it, the Gun Owners of America filed suit against the short barrel and silencer portions of the NFA as it is now simply a gun registry. When the NFA was passed, it was held to be legal in the courts on the basis of it being a tax. Congress didn't make it illegal to own those items, it just made it illegal to do so without paying the tax because that was the only legally plausible way to do it without violating the 2nd Amendment.

The 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act has language that forbids the creation of a national gun registry (which the ATF has flouted), so the GOA is arguing that those portions of the NFA are both unconstitutional and now illegal under superceding law.

 

[Pablo]

Next help for all the states that banned common use stuffs..........