$200 transfer tax removed for short barreled rifles and shotguns

Next help for all the states that banned common use stuffs..........
If you mean gun-related, at least in Ohio our laws more or less revert to federal law. Ohio doesn't go beyond federal restrictions.

As soon as he signed it, the Gun Owners of America filed suit against the short barrel and silencer portions of the NFA as it is now simply a gun registry.
Since only the tax is removed, what follows doesn't apply, but if the "registry" ends up getting removed, many states will need to update their laws. Ohio, for example, says it is "illegal to possess a suppressor unless “registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record...”". 18-20 other US states have similar laws.
 
That’s the opposite of how supply and demand work…

If supply goes up, then, perhaps prices will come down.

Changing the price of the stamp from $200 to “free” while keeping all the Form 4 paperwork in place, with fingerprints, annual photographs, etc. isn’t exactly easing the process.

Taking $200 off the price of an item that costs between $800 and $1,400 isn’t likely to change demand much, either.

If anything, I expect prices to stay the same, or perhaps go up a bit as the market absorbs this change.
Just a minor correction: it’s not annual photographs. It’s one time when you submit the form.

Silencer’s are just the stupid hit man movie stereotype stuff, also irrational but at least I can see where it came from.
A 22 rimfire can is absolutely worth the price if you like to shoot. With standard velocity ammo the impact on the target is louder than the muzzle blast. It really is almost movie quiet. I can shoot a brick of ammo from my porch and the neighbors never know and the dogs don’t even bark.
 
Just a minor correction: it’s not annual photographs. It’s one time when you submit the form.


A 22 rimfire can is absolutely worth the price if you like to shoot. With standard velocity ammo the impact on the target is louder than the muzzle blast. It really is almost movie quiet. I can shoot a brick of ammo from my porch and the neighbors never know and the dogs don’t even bark.
+1 +1 +1 +1

i've stocked up 300k rounds of good ol' 40 grain round nose thunderbolts.

cheap to shoot, and goes clean though small game. No fragments. An idiot only takes chances with hollow points on edible game.

I save those for the varmints..
 
If you mean gun-related, at least in Ohio our laws more or less revert to federal law. Ohio doesn't go beyond federal restrictions.


Since only the tax is removed, what follows doesn't apply, but if the "registry" ends up getting removed, many states will need to update their laws. Ohio, for example, says it is "illegal to possess a suppressor unless “registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record...”". 18-20 other US states have similar laws.
You are lucky. There are some states that completely ignore such things. We need lifeline seriously
 
Nothing regarding firearms should be illegal unless you use that item during the commission of a violent crime. Otherwise, the laws will always potentially be able to be twisted against otherwise law-abiding citizens.

Just think if there was as a registry, transfer fee and background check for 8”+ chef’s knives, because they are a weapon and have been used in violent crimes and murders…
 
Nothing regarding firearms should be illegal unless you use that item during the commission of a violent crime. Otherwise, the laws will always potentially be able to be twisted against otherwise law-abiding citizens.

Just think if there was as a registry, transfer fee and background check for 8”+ chef’s knives, because they are a weapon and have been used in violent crimes and murders…
Totally would Dundee a bush knife if I had one.....
 
As soon as he signed it, the Gun Owners of America filed suit against the short barrel and silencer portions of the NFA as it is now simply a gun registry. When the NFA was passed, it was held to be legal in the courts on the basis of it being a tax.
Excellent point........if there is no tax, the NFA has no legs..........we will see how that plays out.

Shorter guns after all, are better of the environment, less material, less weight in transport, smaller boxes, less trees cut down, less carbon footprint......maybe by 5%......way more than the .03% fuel economy increases.....and as @Astro14 put it, a shorter gun with a can is much more handy. Better hearing for all. I wonder what the issue is?:cry:
 
Excellent point........if there is no tax, the NFA has no legs..........we will see how that plays out.

Shorter guns after all, are better of the environment, less material, less weight in transport, smaller boxes, less trees cut down, less carbon footprint......maybe by 5%......way more than the .03% fuel economy increases.....and as @Astro14 put it, a shorter gun with a can is much more handy. Better hearing for all. I wonder what the issue is?:cry:
The NFA as first introduced applied the $200 tax to machine guns, handguns and handgun substitutes like sawn off shotguns, rifles, ect . The authors of the bill found out they couldn't get it passed with the tax on handguns included, so they took it out but the other items that had been included, like an after thought, remained.
 
The NFA as first introduced applied the $200 tax to machine guns, handguns and handgun substitutes like sawn off shotguns, rifles, ect . The authors of the bill found out they couldn't get it passed with the tax on handguns included, so they took it out but the other items that had been included, like an after thought, remained.
first i heard that
 
Nothing regarding firearms should be illegal unless you use that item during the commission of a violent crime. Otherwise, the laws will always potentially be able to be twisted against otherwise law-abiding citizens.

Just think if there was as a registry, transfer fee and background check for 8”+ chef’s knives, because they are a weapon and have been used in violent crimes and murders…
And I’d argue that violent crimes committed with knives or blunt force instruments are actually far more violent in nature.
 
Note: As I understand it, the effective date is 90 days after the signing of the law, in the quarter year. The exact date will be determined by appropriate authority (whatever that might be). Given that info, I expect a lot of suppressors and SBRs will just sit, as folks wait for the 90 days to expire. Why pay an extra today when you can wait three months to save $200?
 
Note: As I understand it, the effective date is 90 days after the signing of the law, in the quarter year. The exact date will be determined by appropriate authority (whatever that might be). Given that info, I expect a lot of suppressors and SBRs will just sit, as folks wait for the 90 days to expire. Why pay an extra today when you can wait three months to save $200?
I agree - I expect short term sales will plummet which may lead to that “oversupply” and lowered prices that another poster suggested.

But I expect that it will be a short term sales dip, because once the tax comes off, demand will go right back up.
 
Given that info, I expect a lot of suppressors and SBRs will just sit, as folks wait for the 90 days to expire. Why pay an extra today when you can wait three months to save $200?
Think we'll see the standard gun industry scare tactics ? "Hey folks, don't delay your NFA purchases because it might get overturned. Buy them now !".

which may lead to that “oversupply”
I believe more companies will begin producing them, especially if the registration requirements are eliminated.
 
Think we'll see the standard gun industry scare tactics ? "Hey folks, don't delay your NFA purchases because it might get overturned. Buy them now !".


I believe more companies will begin producing them, especially if the registration requirements are eliminated.
I agree, too. Over the past several months, I’ve seen a lot of “sales“, in which various manufacturers and distributors offer “free tax stamp“ as it means to promote sales. These are high profit items on an individual basis, the cost of manufacturing is dramatically lower than the retail price, and it’s been interesting to watch what sales have looked like leading up to this highly anticipated decision.
 
This thread will go south pretty quick I assume. I hope it stays out of the political gutter.

The removal of the tax was not what I was interested in. It was the removal of the ID and paperwork requirement......

I dont think the removal of a $200 tax stamp is going to change a market....... costs of products are so high in comparison to the "longer" counterpart. A mossberg shotgun= $400=.....SBS Mossberg $1500

As to suppressors, It is the same thing, maybe 50 bucks in material, maybe 1 hour labor in production, maybe.............$1000 bucks......

No change, other than the tax.........not enough for me.
I have 14 stamps. One of my cans is 3D printed from Inconel and a couple are fully welded Titanium so I wouldn't say that all cans have 50 bucks of material. I do agree with you that they are priced high but I think limited production is a big part of that.
 
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