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S.22 is a smorgasbord of 160 bills totaling more than 1,300 pages and, no, we're not sure how many who voted for it actually read it. A stimulus bill it is not, for it locks up an additional 2 million acres to the 107 million acres of federally owned wilderness areas. That total is more than the area of Montana and Wyoming combined.

Speaking of Wyoming, 1.1 million of these newly restricted acres are in that state. This bill, which also provides $1 billion for a water project designed to save 500 salmon in California, takes about 8.8 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and 300 million barrels of oil out of production in that state, according to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM).

The energy resources walled off by this bill would nearly match the annual production levels of our two natural gas production states — Texas and Alaska. As Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., points out: "We are not suffering from a lack of wilderness areas in the United States. According to the Census Bureau, we have 106 million acres of developed land and 107 million acres of (officially declared) wilderness land."

Earlier this year, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar canceled 77 Utah oil and gas leases that had gone through seven years of studies, negotiations and land-use planning. They were rejected because temporary drilling operations might be "visible" from several national parks more than a mile away. We are not making this up.

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=323305469830589
Nothing like intentionally making energy prices go up. Need to start moving all those government mandated hybrids off the lot that are just sitting there with low gas prices.
 
It's only 2 mil a fish. No price is too high to save the environment right?

Salmon sounds tasty all of a sudden...
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
..........Nothing like intentionally making energy prices go up............


The Obama plan is apparently to drive up the cost of coal and natural gas, via land use restrictions and CO2 cap & trade taxes. This will then make alternative energies, such as solar and wind, cost competitive. He did tell us several times that we, the citizens of the USA, will have to make sacrifices in the name of progress. And paying a lot more for electricity and winter heating fuel will be one of those sacrifices.
 
Paying a lot more for electricity and winter heating fuel will result in the sacrifice of a 2nd term.

As a collective, we're not all that bright in this country, but we do notice large increases in our light bills.
 
Bull. We need all the "wilderness" we can get in the USA. Population density in the outer ring suburbs is ridiculously low, that needs to be worked on. Once a "wilderness" area is developed, it's gone for good. Bomb the suburbs, build a forest!
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
It's only 2 mil a fish. No price is too high to save the environment right?

Salmon sounds tasty all of a sudden...


Dood! You just don't get it. This is a "nature preserve" for your coveted elite to fish and have recreation at while the little people are rioting in the streets for food and energy.

You should be all behind this. They're outsourcing security to private militias.
 
I would like to see the details behind that 1B figure for CA salmon, last year all commercial salmon fishing in the state, or several rivers I forget, was halted due to low spawn from unknown causes.

I would suspect that it is related to that.

Cannot 500 fish generate several million spawn? The amount of spending may be over the top, or maybe not, but it may be vital to the fishing industry for that state. And I know I like eating salmon.
 
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Population density in the outer ring suburbs is ridiculously low, that needs to be worked on.

So you are advocating high density population centers?
 
Looking at the Sydney Basin, some of Oz' most productive farm lands and good soils are now under houses, forcing agriculture (particularly fruit and veg) to less productive lands with poorer water supplies etc.

Reason ?

The farmland became more valuble as housing land that farming land, the farmers sold out and got rich (nothing wrong with that), and a resource became useless.

How does the free market stop that sort of waste ?
 
Waste? Are people starving in Oz due to this move? Someone was willing to buy the lots for housing, at probably high prices.

Why did this land become so valuable for housing?
 
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Waste? Are people starving in Oz due to this move? Someone was willing to buy the lots for housing, at probably high prices.


So just because there are no immediate effects, many of which may not be apparent for awhile, there is no "waste"?

I think you seriously confused the human construct of currency and floating values with the universal physics of Universal Law. It trumps Natural Law by several magnitudes.
 
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