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Just bought my 1st ever stash of PP 5w30 for recent bought 2010 Hyundai Tucson.
Oil/filter was changed just prior to purchase, so now to get a stash of OEM filters.
Then I'll be ready to do my 1st oil/filter change. Will use 5w30 during triple digit temp season, then will use 5w-20 when cooler season arrives.
2.4L I4

This will be my 1st Pennzoil ever in about 40 years of using oils. Reading many good things about it, it will soon be my turn to try. I still have 3k to go before 45k is on the clock, then will change about that time.
Book calls 7500 OCI. [5w-20, 5w30, 10w30] SN

I'll probably stick to around a 7 - 7.5k OCI w/OEM filters, although 90% of the mileage will be highway. Do me right pennzoil
 
Stick with 5w30 as 5w20 will be no different in cooler weather unless you live North of the Arctic circle. If anything use 10w30 in Summer. You will like PP.
 
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+1 on sticking to 5W30 if its speced for that oil (temp compensated).

There are filters better than OEM and that are fine for warranty. Buy enough M1 filters on Amazon to get free shipping, maybe free tax.

Do not forget drain plug washer and/or Fumoto valve.

You may be ready for some ATF or diff soon?
 
Your engine doesn't require anything heavier than a 5W-20 dino.
If you can I'd exchange the PP 5w30 for their 5W-20 which will give all the high temperature protection you'll ever need plus mor efficient cold operation plus improved fuel economy.
 
Originally Posted By: Errtt
Just bought my 1st ever stash of PP 5w30 for recent bought 2010 Hyundai Tucson.
Oil/filter was changed just prior to purchase, so now to get a stash of OEM filters.
Then I'll be ready to do my 1st oil/filter change. Will use 5w30 during triple digit temp season, then will use 5w-20 when cooler season arrives.
2.4L I4

This will be my 1st Pennzoil ever in about 40 years of using oils. Reading many good things about it, it will soon be my turn to try. I still have 3k to go before 45k is on the clock, then will change about that time.
Book calls 7500 OCI. [5w-20, 5w30, 10w30] SN

I'll probably stick to around a 7 - 7.5k OCI w/OEM filters, although 90% of the mileage will be highway. Do me right pennzoil


I'm doing the same weights in my 2013 elantra. 5w 20 in winter and 5w 30 is going in tomorrow for hot weather. My Hyundai manual says 5w 20 is best for fuel economy but hot weather may require a heavier oil. The manual says that so thats what i am doing too.
 
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: Errtt
Just bought my 1st ever stash of PP 5w30 for recent bought 2010 Hyundai Tucson.
Oil/filter was changed just prior to purchase, so now to get a stash of OEM filters.
Then I'll be ready to do my 1st oil/filter change. Will use 5w30 during triple digit temp season, then will use 5w-20 when cooler season arrives.
2.4L I4

This will be my 1st Pennzoil ever in about 40 years of using oils. Reading many good things about it, it will soon be my turn to try. I still have 3k to go before 45k is on the clock, then will change about that time.
Book calls 7500 OCI. [5w-20, 5w30, 10w30] SN

I'll probably stick to around a 7 - 7.5k OCI w/OEM filters, although 90% of the mileage will be highway. Do me right pennzoil


I'm doing the same weights in my 2013 elantra. 5w 20 in winter and 5w 30 is going in tomorrow for hot weather. My Hyundai manual says 5w 20 is best for fuel economy but hot weather may require a heavier oil. The manual says that so thats what i am doing too.

Your misinterpreting the manual.
Hyundai does not require the oil be changed to a 5w30 for the summer months, simply the cold start advantages of a 5W-20 are less pronounced in the summer and the 5w30 grade may have some advantages that are not spelled out such as reduced oil consumption during high speed driving but there are no lubrication advantages to using the heavier oil grade.
If there was it would be spelled out in no uncertain terms for warranty purposes if nothing else.

It's worth noting that plenty of Hyundai owners use the even lighter 0W-20 oil grade year round without issue and have posted excellent UOA's to show for it.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: Errtt
Just bought my 1st ever stash of PP 5w30 for recent bought 2010 Hyundai Tucson.
Oil/filter was changed just prior to purchase, so now to get a stash of OEM filters.
Then I'll be ready to do my 1st oil/filter change. Will use 5w30 during triple digit temp season, then will use 5w-20 when cooler season arrives.
2.4L I4

This will be my 1st Pennzoil ever in about 40 years of using oils. Reading many good things about it, it will soon be my turn to try. I still have 3k to go before 45k is on the clock, then will change about that time.
Book calls 7500 OCI. [5w-20, 5w30, 10w30] SN

I'll probably stick to around a 7 - 7.5k OCI w/OEM filters, although 90% of the mileage will be highway. Do me right pennzoil


I'm doing the same weights in my 2013 elantra. 5w 20 in winter and 5w 30 is going in tomorrow for hot weather. My Hyundai manual says 5w 20 is best for fuel economy but hot weather may require a heavier oil. The manual says that so thats what i am doing too.

Your misinterpreting the manual.
Hyundai does not require the oil be changed to a 5w30 for the summer months, simply the cold start advantages of a 5W-20 are less pronounced in the summer and the 5w30 grade may have some advantages that are not spelled out such as reduced oil consumption during high speed driving but there are no lubrication advantages to using the heavier oil grade.
If there was it would be spelled out in no uncertain terms for warranty purposes if nothing else.

It's worth noting that plenty of Hyundai owners use the even lighter 0W-20 oil grade year round without issue and have posted excellent UOA's to show for it.


I'm going to quote my Hyundai owners manual word for word chapter 8/page 5;
"Lower viscosity engine oils can provide better fuel economy and cold weather performance, however, higher viscosity engine oils are required for satisfactory lubrication in hot weather."

Not trying to get into a thick/thin war , but just stating that here is an owners manual recommendation that Errtt and I both choose to follow.
 
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No I appreciate you're not trying to get into a thick/thin debate, but you should know the Manual is not written by engineers but by marketing people.

As I mentioned, it isn't warranty requirement to run a 5w30 grade in the summer months. The fact tells a lot.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
No I appreciate you're not trying to get into a thick/thin debate, but you should know the Manual is not written by engineers but by marketing people.

And we also have to remember that certain phrases (particularly ones like those) stay in automotive manuals for many years and several revisions. My G37 manual has similar wording, referring to choosing viscosity according to weather and operating conditions. Considering that they call only for 5w30 SM/GF-4 or better with no optional viscosities, that's obviously a statement that didn't get weeded out in the North American manuals.
 
Yikes... the confusion (2-me).

spasm3.... lol my book states the same and on the same page (Tucson book page 8/5).
In addition, it states "When choosing an oil, consider the range of temperature your vehicle will be operated in before the next oil change. Proceed to select the recommended oil viscosity from the chart".

Now the chart shows temps from -10 to 120
The 10w30 covers about 0 - 120
The 5w-20 covers -10 to 120
The 5w30 covers -10 to 120 (same as the 5w30).

So it seems any of the grades are okay, just there is a recommendation for the 5w-20 for better fuel economy. So taking the that higher viscosity is required for satisfactory lubrication in hot weather (per manual), its confusing all the listed oils chart up to 120. Although I probably won't see much 120 temps here (Calif valley), we can get regular triple digit temps (like today, tomorrow worse), and taking the oils listed in the manual, seems I could use any of the listed oil grades. But instead of using the 10w30, I figured the 5w30 would fit in for the summer, then switch to 5w-20 during non-summer season.

I dunno... I'm still confused (maybe over thinking), but will check back after official mandatory break, then chow, then after chow official mandatory break. And I'll have the Aspirin in ready status when I return.
 
You're absolutely right - it is confusing.
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That chart makes little sense, but plenty of those charts do make little sense.

Theoretically, if they're trying to make recommendations based upon temperature, a 5w-xx should be good down to a certain low temperature, regardless of whether it's a 5w-20, 5w30, or 5w-40 (within certain limits, of course). And a 30 grade should be theoretically better for some temperature higher than a 20 grade, and a 40 grade better than a 30 for some even higher temperature.

Of course, these charts tend to make a mess of this and do ignore the fact that modern multigrades are year-round oils, whether it's a 0w-20, a 5w-20, or a 5w30 in North America or an oil meeting a proprietary manufacturer's specification in Europe.

I never like switching by seasons and prefer an oil that is suitable for use all year. That's one major reason I had Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 in stock in the first place. The old Audi called for a thicker grade in summer (i.e. a 40), but something with decent cold cranking in winter. So, the chart would allow a 15w40 or 10w-40 in the summer and a 10w30 or 5w30 or a 5w-20 in winter. Well, those certainly weren't the only five options.
 
^ yeah all the charted oils go up to 120 F for both the 20 & 30 grade. Just the cold flow (5w & 10w) are different.
I would think the 5w-20 would be just below the others (5w30 & 10w30)on the upper end of the chart. I can see the w ratings making more sense.
So at this point, I remain confused some how.
 
Originally Posted By: Errtt
^ yeah all the charted oils go up to 120 F for both the 20 & 30 grade. Just the cold flow (5w & 10w) are different.
I would think the 5w-20 would be just below the others (5w30 & 10w30)on the upper end of the chart. I can see the w ratings making more sense.
So at this point, I remain confused some how.


I'm going to do what you are 5w 20 in winter and 5 30 in summer. I would like to use a 0w 20 in winter but i'm afraid it would void my warranty since its not a listed weight.
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: Errtt
^ yeah all the charted oils go up to 120 F for both the 20 & 30 grade. Just the cold flow (5w & 10w) are different.
I would think the 5w-20 would be just below the others (5w30 & 10w30)on the upper end of the chart. I can see the w ratings making more sense.
So at this point, I remain confused some how.


I'm going to do what you are 5w 20 in winter and 5 30 in summer. I would like to use a 0w 20 in winter but i'm afraid it would void my warranty since its not a listed weight.


You could use any of the grades listed in the manual all year and neither you nor your motor would ever be to tell any practical difference.

The PP 5w30 is as good an oil as you will find. I would use it and devote my energies to something more fun than motor oil.
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: Errtt
^ yeah all the charted oils go up to 120 F for both the 20 & 30 grade. Just the cold flow (5w & 10w) are different.
I would think the 5w-20 would be just below the others (5w30 & 10w30)on the upper end of the chart. I can see the w ratings making more sense.
So at this point, I remain confused some how.


I'm going to do what you are 5w 20 in winter and 5 30 in summer. I would like to use a 0w 20 in winter but i'm afraid it would void my warranty since its not a listed weight.


Yeah the warranty thing gets me to.
I trolled back and seen others have done a similar thing (lighter for cooler season, heavier for summer). Looked at some UOAs and I couldn't see any negative aspects of doing so grade wise.
As long as the oil meets manufacturer Hyundai recommendations, and OCIs intervals, all should be fine warranty wise.
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I considered a 0w 20 for winter use, but i was worried about warranty issues since that grade is not listed in the manual.

Hyundai doesn't specify synthetic oil at all so simply switching to a syn' 5W-20 such as PP will give you both better cold start performance as well as greater high temp' protection for year round use.

In a 0W-20 a good oil choice would be M1 AFE 0W-20 since Mobil is on record stating in can be used where a 5W-20 is specified and will not void any manufacturers warranty.
This oil is lighter than any 5W-20 on start-up and will provide more high temp' protection than a cheap 5w30 dino.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I considered a 0w 20 for winter use, but i was worried about warranty issues since that grade is not listed in the manual.

Hyundai doesn't specify synthetic oil at all so simply switching to a syn' 5W-20 such as PP will give you both better cold start performance as well as greater high temp' protection for year round use.

In a 0W-20 a good oil choice would be M1 AFE 0W-20 since Mobil is on record stating in can be used where a 5W-20 is specified and will not void any manufacturers warranty.
This oil is lighter than any 5W-20 on start-up and will provide more high temp' protection than a cheap 5w30 dino.


I might try the 0w 20 in the winter if mobil backs it up!
Thanks for that info.
 
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