10% hike on MSRP across all Ford models?

[GON]

Or get spooked by the cost - these days LT’s cost what many paid for their starter home …

Beats me...

I am seeing these new generation Toyota Tamaras' being marketed in Asia starting around $19,000 USD.

https://toyota.com.ph/tamaraw

 

[4WD]

Did they take the buy out? From my reading a number of Ford dealers didn't want to invest in ev's so Ford corporate offered a buyout. GM did the same thing with a number of Cadillac dealers.

Our full line GM dealer dropped Caddy first - and now Buick.
They are Chevy/GMC and considering folks want SUV’s or LT’s - they have many offerings …
Our Ford finally looks normal again bcs they have twice the Super Duty units as F150’s …

 

[4WD]

Beats me...

I am seeing these new generation Toyota Tamaras' being marketed in Asia starting around $19,000 USD.

https://toyota.com.ph/tamaraw

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Now I’m spooked

 

[GON]

Now I’m spooked

Imagine if Toyota took over a USA shuttered auto manufacturing plant and built these- at a $19,000 USD starting price, Toyota would sell likely sell all they could produce for many years, running three shifts a day.

Of course, these sales would come at the expense of Toyota's own USA built truck lines, and the big three truck manufacturers.

But- there are alternatives that can be built in the U.S. and at costs significantly less than is offered to the U.S. consumer. Fully acknowledge the Asian version truck may not have the same safety/ emissions equipment as U.S. trucks.

 

[4WD]

Imagine if Toyota took over a USA shuttered auto manufacturing plant and built these- at a $19,000 USD starting price, Toyota would sell likely sell all they could produce for many years, running three shifts a day.

Of course, these sales would come at the expense of Toyota's own USA built truck lines, and the big three truck manufacturers.

But- there are alternatives that can be built in the U.S. and at costs significantly less than is offered to the U.S. consumer. I acknowledge the Asian version truck may not have the same safety equipment as U.S. trucks.

Not in the Houston market - and that’s a big one. Even the sharp Colorado/Canyon is a moderate seller here. Folks just like the bigger units. My reference to cost was in a relative sense …
(Trade a 2015 F150 for new) …

 

[SC Maintenance]

Imagine if Toyota took over a USA shuttered auto manufacturing plant and built these- at a $19,000 USD starting price, Toyota would sell likely sell all they could produce for many years, running three shifts a day.

Of course, these sales would come at the expense of Toyota's own USA built truck lines, and the big three truck manufacturers.

But- there are alternatives that can be built in the U.S. and at costs significantly less than is offered to the U.S. consumer. I acknowledge the Asian version truck may not have the same safety equipment as U.S. trucks.

I would buy a Tamaraw. Looks nice. The brochure says it has 1025KG payload - so over a ton - but that might be the chassis without a box? Says it has ABS and driver / passenger air bag. Hardly stripped down IMHO.

I have posted before about how Kia can sell a reasonably equipped Seltos in India - which includes air bags and other safety things, for around $12K. They start at $25K here.

 

[4WD]

I would buy a Tamaraw. Looks nice. The brochure says it has 1025KG payload - so over a ton - but that might be the chassis without a box? Says it has ABS and driver / passenger air bag. Hardly stripped down IMHO.

I have posted before about how Kia can sell a reasonably equipped Seltos in India - which includes air bags and other safety things, for around $12K. They start at $25K here.

Contraptions like that have to pass the moose test. Has it?

 

[GON]

Not in the Houston market - and that’s a big one. Even the sharp Colorado/Canyon is a moderate seller here. Folks just like the bigger units. My reference to cost was in a relative sense …
(Trade a 2015 F150 for new) …

These wouldn't sell in the greater Houston area?

 

[4WD]

These wouldn't sell in the greater Houston area?

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Don’t think so

 

[Tdbo]

Did they take the buy out? From my reading a number of Ford dealers didn't want to invest in ev's so Ford corporate offered a buyout. GM did the same thing with a number of Cadillac dealers.

As well as Buick. I know of at least four Buick dealers within 50 miles of me that gave up their franchises, including one that is now GMC only.

 

[GON]

Don’t think so

It is reported the economy in Houston and much of Texas has been, is, and will be better than much of the nation-- but still surprised Houstonites, especially businesses, would not find this truck as a solid match for their needs and budget.

 

[Jetronic]

Meh.

Lets say for the sake of argument lets say a 4800 pound F-150 XLS is 4000 pounds of aluminum. At current average price of $1.23/lb you have $4907 of aluminum. Add 25% tariff cost goes up $1227 or 2.1% of $56,000.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/aluminum-price says $2705/metric ton or 2205 pounds, $1.23/lb.

However, it is so much fun to fear tariffs and Blame The Orange Man. Don't let facts spoil your fun.

No, that's before any work has been done to that aluminum. So, if the truck came with 4000 pounds of aluminum filling up the bed that would be correct. But now every step in manufacturing beyond aquiring the aluminium becomes 25% more expensive as everyone wants to see a return of their investment. And that is if the materials never cross any border again.

Unless of course that raw aluminium gets transfarmed into a truck all by itself and for free, then it would only be $1227.....

 

[jeepman3071]

How much of this is tariffs and how much of it is companies using tariffs as an excuse?

 

[Jetronic]

Novelis broke ground in Bay Minette in late 2022. They should be rolling in volume end of this year - so 3.5 years from Greenfield. It will be a giant mill, able to roll all kinds of things.

https://investors.novelis.com/news-...-2-5-billion-aluminum-recycling-rolling-plant

If a mill is idle and the stands are still there, you could easily do a revamp in under a year. There is a steel mill in Georgetown SC that was purchased fully operational by Arcelor Mittal - a European company - a few years ago and immediately shut down. They were rolling high margin specialty product and Arcelor didn't want the competition. You could start that up in a few months. I am told there are many more idle up North.

They want us to believe that we can't restart, that things are too far gone, but its all globalist propaganda.

I think it can be restarted, but I'd go top down and not bottom up. Start with finished products, to bring assembly back and maintain cheap resources. Then move to semi finished products and lastly (also because those are the most polluting and destroying) go after raw materials and energy.

None of this will finish over 4 years. Maybe Musk will run for office next term to continue todays efforts.

 

[jeepman3071]

Beats me...

I am seeing these new generation Toyota Tamaras' being marketed in Asia starting around $19,000 USD.

https://toyota.com.ph/tamaraw

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I think they would sell well, but they would never pass the safety regs that would be imposed on them and therefore wouldn't be available here.

 

[Jetronic]

How much of this is tariffs and how much of it is companies using tariffs as an excuse?

That's just it, local production will cost more aswell since you now removed the competition. US made steel has gone up 20% in the last 2 months already.

 

[GON]

I think they would sell well, but they would never pass the safety regs that would be imposed on them and therefore wouldn't be available here.

Are safety regulations, emission regulations immune from revisions?

The U.S. government allows the DoD and other federal entities to eliminate EPA regulations on newly manufactured diesel pickup trucks. Maybe like actions could be taken on a Toyota truck if the truck was built in a shuddered U.S. auto manufacturing plant?

 

[Jetronic]

Are safety regulations, emission regulations immune from revisions?

The U.S. government allows the DoD and other federal entities to eliminate EPA regulations on newly manufactured diesel pickup trucks. Maybe like actions could be taken on a Toyota truck if the truck was built in a shuddered U.S. auto manufacturing plant?

Not going to happen, unless those toyota trucks are going to the Army/government.

 

[JeffKeryk]

How much of this is tariffs and how much of it is companies using tariffs as an excuse?

Yep. Once prices go up, why sell for less?

 

[4WD]

It is reported the economy in Houston and much of Texas has been, is, and will be better than much of the nation-- but still surprised Houstonites, especially businesses, would not find this truck as a solid match for their needs and budget.

Maybe small business - but of course the US safety mandates would slap a few thousand on those units …
(And they look like the south end of a mule headed north)