10% hike on MSRP across all Ford models?

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Well, when you own the world's reserve currency and it's accepted everywhere, and other nations have a need to export large volumes of manufactured goods, i don't see it ending anytime soon.
Trade accounts must balance and since other states find it necessary to export large volumes of manufactured goods they'll also find it necessary to buy large volumes of American debt.
They must also use their USD earnings to buy essential inputs, like crude oil.
The strength of the USD lies mainly in the internationally perceived strength of the US.
That should be our primary concern.
 
Good post.

I have worked full time since my early teens, and have never been unemployed a day in my life. Yet, I have never worked in a factory so have nothing to contribute about factory work. Earlier in this thread someone posted about working in a Ford factory in the early 1900s, and that the work was hard. I also reflected on "Rosie Riveter", that when people have a mission for a common good, people will go above and beyond.

In the meantime- a little "shift work"

Its not your fathers Ford plant. Ford South Chicago plant. Then:

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https://www.assemblymag.com/articles/98563-fords-chicago-assembly-plant-turns-100
 
If the U.S. doesn't bring manufacturing back, along with exporting more than we import, history points out the U.S. will financially fail as a nation.
Not sure I completely, but American business chose to follow the outsourcing model...
Jack Welch, the former CEO of General Electric, was a pioneer of outsourcing and offshoring.
 
Not sure I completely, but American business chose to follow the outsourcing model...
Jack Welch, the former CEO of General Electric, was a pioneer of outsourcing and offshoring.
A study of GE stock showed it was very positive for GE stock in the short term, and Wall Street rewarded Jack Welch handsomely for his moves.

Long term, Jack Welchs moves resulted in a near collapse of GE stock, and from GE stock paying a nice dividend, to a almost zero dividend (GE pays a very tiny dividend only to meet a category requirement for stocks that pay dividends).

What is even more shocking about GE, is that GE was in industries with significant barriers to competition, such as nuclear power, cat scans/ MRI technology, and aircraft engines.

One can't look at a GE stock chart for historical reasons as a lot of games like spinoffs/ reverse splits have taken place post Jack Welch.

Here is a tiny example of GE's collapsing of their dividend. Mind blowing.

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A study of GE stock showed it was very positive for GE stock in the short term, and Wall Street rewarded Jack Welch handsomely for his moves.

Long term, Jack Welchs moves resulted in a near collapse of GE stock, and from GE stock paying a nice dividend, to a almost zero dividend (GE pays a very tiny dividend only to meet a category requirement for stocks that pay dividends).

What is even more shocking about GE, is that GE was in industries with significant barriers to competition, such as nuclear power, cat scans/ MRI technology, and aircraft engines.
And his model was taught in business schools to a whole generation of American CEOs.
 
And his model was taught in business schools to a whole generation of American CEOs.
His model works fantastic in the short term. Radio Shack, Sears and money others followed a like model. GE, RSH, SHLD stock all rose to record highs in a very short time, only to collapse or go to zero in following years.
 
That is unfortunate. I have been in almost every kind of factory you can be. There are definitely ones I would not want to work in, but for the most part, there a pretty good gig.

Lets start with there are no backbreaking factory jobs anymore. No one lifts stuff. Hurt backs are expensive. Most operators - the lowest level of actual production person in most US factories, monitor one or more machines. They may load or unload bins, usually small parts. They might cycle or restart machinery if there is an issue. Mostly there simply keeping an eye on the machine to make sure its operating as intended, and not making bad parts, so they may inspect or measure things throughout there shift.

If its assembly, they may install certain small parts, but the majority of those jobs have been replaced by robots, or at minimum operator controlled assists. For example if a bolt needs to be installed manually - an operator may start the bolt, then move a suspended impact gun, preset to proper torque, into position and actuate it.

Operators in steel mills sit in air conditioned operator rooms, and mostly watch screens and HMI's. There are windows they can look out at the actual process, but unless something goes wrong, the hardest part is staying awake. The factories know this, so they cycle operators pretty regularly - they switch spots often. The upside is everyone is cross trained and no one does the same job for too long at once.

Long gone are burly men moving heavy stuff around. In fact I would say in the more technical plants the majority of operators are often women. Not saying women can't lift heavy things, but the point being they no longer need to.

If I had a child that didn't know what they wanted to do after high school - I would tell them to go get a factory job. They will start at $18-20 an hour and have to work nights, but in a year they will likely be moved up and making closer to $30. Or they can apply around and move to the next factory. Factories have a hard time finding staff. I am told there biggest issue is finding someone that can pass the drug test, show up on time, and show up sober.
I was in a new pipe plant around 3 years back - same setup for the operators - squiggly lines on screens - and CCTV’s. The maintenance team stroll around on overhead walkways keeping an eye and an ear to the machines - iPads giving them the same feed as others.
 
Well, when you own the world's reserve currency and it's accepted everywhere, and other nations have a need to export large volumes of manufactured goods, i don't see it ending anytime soon.
Trade accounts must balance and since other states find it necessary to export large volumes of manufactured goods they'll also find it necessary to buy large volumes of American debt.
They must also use their USD earnings to buy essential inputs, like crude oil.
The strength of the USD lies mainly in the internationally perceived strength of the US.
That should be our primary concern.
I mostly agree with GON on this one. A country that exports predominantly IOUs while having scarce hard goods to export will eventually run out of customers.

The Middle East didn’t get rich by exporting fiat currencies. And neither did the US.

Fiat currencies have to backed by something. If there’s nothing useful backing them, their value plummets.

“What can we buy with all this paper you’ve given us?”

“You can buy more paper.”
 
Tesla’s Austin plant has 23,000 workers. What did they all do last week?
No idea.

There is a 1 minute video at the bottom of this link which shows how the BMW body shop has been automated compared to the late 90's.

I know BMW in South Carolina has 11,000. No one assembles a car by hand. People do use automated equipment to guide assembly - ie below from the video. They made 400,000 cars last year with 11,000 employees - 1500 a day. A lot of those employees are admin, material handling, and maintenance, but I don't know the break down.

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/money/2017/06/25/bmw-workforce/411746001/


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A study of GE stock showed it was very positive for GE stock in the short term, and Wall Street rewarded Jack Welch handsomely for his moves.

....resulted in a near collapse of GE stock

And removal from DJIA, replaced with Walgreens.

People still think that if you have an 'index' fund, your money will grow with the index. Or if you hold a stock, it will come back.

What actually happens is that underperformers like GE get the boot, and you take the loss.

Then the market pretends like nothing ever happened and the climb continues.

FYI, Walgreens produces nothing of value.
 
Also, even if we can really bring back American manufacturing in any significant way, do we really want to increase demand for blue collar workers in an era when we don't have enough of them to begin with for largely demographic reasons

It's not demographic reasons, it's the push to get everyone to go to college, even when the number of college graduates vastly exceeds the number of jobs available that realistically require a college degree, and has so for decades. This is because the education industrial complex demands it.

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And removal from DJIA, replaced with Walgreens.

People still think that if you have an 'index' fund, your money will grow with the index. Or if you hold a stock, it will come back.

What actually happens is that underperformers like GE get the boot, and you take the loss.

Then the market pretends like nothing ever happened and the climb continues.

FYI, Walgreens produces nothing of value.
Yes, either does Walmart or Amazon.
 
The current tariff war is not helping. Ford gets quite a bit of their aluminum from Canada plus other finish parts. Same with Mexico
That and also the potential of retaliation of now Canada electricity export to the US, that means even domestic may pay more for electricity.
 
I tried my best to buy a 5.0 F-150 in 2019. Their prices at several Houston area dealers were so much higher than Chevy and RAM it was futile. It had nothing to do with tariffs 5 years ago. Price wise Ford > GM > RAM. I bought a RAM and its the best truck I ever owned.
 
If not now, when?

For numerous very clear reasons, this might be a "last chance".

A farmer in financial challenges can sell his seed for spring planting in the winter, and live fat and happy for a few months.

A farmer that instead struggles and puts immediate gratification on the shelf for long term hope and plants that seed in the spring at great risk and duress, is what is needed in the short and long term to turn corner for that financially struggling farmer.
I don't think that's how farming works anymore. These days you are sometimes forced to sell at a low price until one or two of the farmers go bankrupt, then the production cut, and then the others survive. Sometimes you have a drought and the oversupply goes away and now everyone made more, enough profit to pay back the last 10 years of loss. Sometimes you got lucky and there's a trade deal with China so you can export all your excess at a good price, sometimes you are in a trade war and all the nut trees you planted for the next 10 years are now going to overproduce and then you are heading into a bankruptcy sooner or later.

Dairy farmers a few years ago need $1/gal to break even and milk were sold for $1/gal in the store, they were in trouble and had to dump milk to keep the price from tanking. They were also paid to dump those milk and not produce. This also applies to farmers all over the world.

Your view of farming is only for growing what you eat, saving seeds for next season, and trade excess for some supplies you cannot produce yourself. Today's farming is not like that. You can't compete using seeds you save, you are either violating copyright (yes those are intellectual property of the seed companies' research, and until the patent expired you cannot grow them by saving seeds) or you are using obsoleted seeds with reduced productivity and going to lose money planting something that old.
 
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