With how many Honda Fits are out there running around on 0w-20/5w-20 for 10,000+ OCIs, you'd figure at least a few would have engine lubrication failure by now.
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Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
With how many Honda Fits are out there running around on 0w-20/5w-20 for 10,000+ OCIs, you'd figure at least a few would have engine lubrication failure by now.
About 500 in the US
With how many Honda Fits are out there running around on 0w-20/5w-20 for 10,000+ OCIs, you'd figure at least a few would have engine lubrication failure by now.
About 500 in the US
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Toyotas have voracious appetites for oil. Will be interesting to see how this 0w20 thing plays out.
Really. Mine doesn't. Just did (literally minutes ago) an oil change on my RX400h, and I put 4.73 litres in 10000km ago, and I pretty much filled the jug with the used oil. Couldn't have burned more than maybe a 1/4 litre if that.
Toyotas have voracious appetites for oil. Will be interesting to see how this 0w20 thing plays out.
Really. Mine doesn't. Just did (literally minutes ago) an oil change on my RX400h, and I put 4.73 litres in 10000km ago, and I pretty much filled the jug with the used oil. Couldn't have burned more than maybe a 1/4 litre if that.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
With how many Honda Fits are out there running around on 0w-20/5w-20 for 10,000+ OCIs, you'd figure at least a few would have engine lubrication failure by now.
About 500 in the US
500 lubrication failures on Honda Fits blamed on too thin oil? Source?
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
With how many Honda Fits are out there running around on 0w-20/5w-20 for 10,000+ OCIs, you'd figure at least a few would have engine lubrication failure by now.
About 500 in the US
500 lubrication failures on Honda Fits blamed on too thin oil? Source?
LeakySeals just likes to throw outrageous stuff out there to see if anyone bites. I guess he gets a kick out of it.
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
With how many Honda Fits are out there running around on 0w-20/5w-20 for 10,000+ OCIs, you'd figure at least a few would have engine lubrication failure by now.
About 500 in the US
500 lubrication failures on Honda Fits blamed on too thin oil? Source?
His own mind??
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
With how many Honda Fits are out there running around on 0w-20/5w-20 for 10,000+ OCIs, you'd figure at least a few would have engine lubrication failure by now.
About 500 in the US
500 lubrication failures on Honda Fits blamed on too thin oil? Source?
His own mind??
Here's my take on it: you seem pretty determined to use a thicker oil than specified, and it seems you're kinda going out of your way to give weight to "evidence" (i.e. the rather misinformed ramblings of the shop foreman) to support your decision. Well, if it's validation you want, you'll get it from me: use thicker oil. It'll make you feel better, and after all it's your car and your money. Changed on a regular basis I imagine the difference in wear and fuel economy won't really be that much, so do what makes you feel good.
Originally Posted By: ron in sc
It’s always amusing although not surprising that a certain number of people will always blindly believe whatever a manufacturer claims about a product or what to use to maintain said product.
None of your points, valid or not, addresses my question. If the 0w-20 is too thin for over 100 F (because that's where the arrow ends), what do they recommend you do when it's below -40 F (also where the arrow ends)? One could argue to go to a thicker API/ILSAC oil over 100 F, but what does Toyota want you to do when the thermometer dips below -40 F? Park the car? Contract XOM or SOPUS to give you a custom blend?
In fleet usage, I've followed the lightest oil recommendation for many years, and accumulated millions of miles doing so. This is following manufacturers' advice, not that of shop foremen or parts counterpersons.
I would agree that 10w30 or 5w30 would be fine in the vehicle. Now, if there were an engine issue under warranty, the shop foreman says there wouldn't be a warranty problem. If Toyota disagrees with him, will he do your repairs for free? If so, then, by all means, follow his advice.
It’s always amusing although not surprising that a certain number of people will always blindly believe whatever a manufacturer claims about a product or what to use to maintain said product.
None of your points, valid or not, addresses my question. If the 0w-20 is too thin for over 100 F (because that's where the arrow ends), what do they recommend you do when it's below -40 F (also where the arrow ends)? One could argue to go to a thicker API/ILSAC oil over 100 F, but what does Toyota want you to do when the thermometer dips below -40 F? Park the car? Contract XOM or SOPUS to give you a custom blend?
In fleet usage, I've followed the lightest oil recommendation for many years, and accumulated millions of miles doing so. This is following manufacturers' advice, not that of shop foremen or parts counterpersons.
I would agree that 10w30 or 5w30 would be fine in the vehicle. Now, if there were an engine issue under warranty, the shop foreman says there wouldn't be a warranty problem. If Toyota disagrees with him, will he do your repairs for free? If so, then, by all means, follow his advice.
My job includes failure analysis for US operations. I regularly get the "shop foreman" type who is mystified by a unique failure that is relatively straight forward as we have seen it many times before. It might be exotic for him, but easily analyzed at a higher level. Recommendations in manuals aren't just dreamt up for fun.
That shop foreman does not know a thing about oils. Oil weight/grade has nothing to do with sludge. A 0w-20 can sludge just like a 15w-50 under abusive conditions. I would use any 0w-20 and call it a day. I run 0w-20 in my Accord, and I drive it hard, very hard. It sees redline a few times each day. 0w-20 will protect your engine. Period.
If you want to go on the opinion of some guy at a dealer ship, then fine. Just remember, he does not make the warranty decisions if you have engine trouble. Will 5w30 kill your engine? No. But if you do have issues, the burden of proof lies with you. Read your warranty verbiage. Toyota, in this case, has very specific requirements, and not following them puts the burden of proof on you in the event of failure. I would run the 0w-20 in the warranty period. Your engine will thank you!
If you want to go on the opinion of some guy at a dealer ship, then fine. Just remember, he does not make the warranty decisions if you have engine trouble. Will 5w30 kill your engine? No. But if you do have issues, the burden of proof lies with you. Read your warranty verbiage. Toyota, in this case, has very specific requirements, and not following them puts the burden of proof on you in the event of failure. I would run the 0w-20 in the warranty period. Your engine will thank you!
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
My job includes failure analysis for US operations. I regularly get the "shop foreman" type who is mystified by a unique failure that is relatively straight forward as we have seen it many times before. It might be exotic for him, but easily analyzed at a higher level. Recommendations in manuals aren't just dreamt up for fun.
What happens in a case where a 20 grade oil is spec'd, no other choices given, and the owner decides to use a 30 grade oil because he thinks he knows better than the mfg? Does that create issues with the warranty if there's an oil related failure? Will that delay the process or even void the warranty? Thanks!
My job includes failure analysis for US operations. I regularly get the "shop foreman" type who is mystified by a unique failure that is relatively straight forward as we have seen it many times before. It might be exotic for him, but easily analyzed at a higher level. Recommendations in manuals aren't just dreamt up for fun.
What happens in a case where a 20 grade oil is spec'd, no other choices given, and the owner decides to use a 30 grade oil because he thinks he knows better than the mfg? Does that create issues with the warranty if there's an oil related failure? Will that delay the process or even void the warranty? Thanks!
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
My job includes failure analysis for US operations. I regularly get the "shop foreman" type who is mystified by a unique failure that is relatively straight forward as we have seen it many times before. It might be exotic for him, but easily analyzed at a higher level. Recommendations in manuals aren't just dreamt up for fun.
What happens in a case where a 20 grade oil is spec'd, no other choices given, and the owner decides to use a 30 grade oil because he thinks he knows better than the mfg? Does that create issues with the warranty if there's an oil related failure? Will that delay the process or even void the warranty? Thanks!
I don't work in the automotive industry, but getting push back would not be surprising if the wrong oil weight is used. Employees in my field that don't follow procedures and something subsequently goes wrong often find themselves on unpaid vacation.
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
My job includes failure analysis for US operations. I regularly get the "shop foreman" type who is mystified by a unique failure that is relatively straight forward as we have seen it many times before. It might be exotic for him, but easily analyzed at a higher level. Recommendations in manuals aren't just dreamt up for fun.
What happens in a case where a 20 grade oil is spec'd, no other choices given, and the owner decides to use a 30 grade oil because he thinks he knows better than the mfg? Does that create issues with the warranty if there's an oil related failure? Will that delay the process or even void the warranty? Thanks!
I don't work in the automotive industry, but getting push back would not be surprising if the wrong oil weight is used. Employees in my field that don't follow procedures and something subsequently goes wrong often find themselves on unpaid vacation.
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