0w20 Castrol Magnatec VS 0w20 Castrol EDGE

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I found some of each cheap during a AZ clearance. Now I am 10qts from empty for 15 Civic 1,8L . I do more highway than not. I have in past mixed 2 : 2 or 3 : 1 trying to get a lil bit of both. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome good,bad, or anything between. Bought EDGE today at wally for a bit under 25.00 after tax, Magnatec can be had for around 20-25 also. Thanks again. Also have samples UOA of HONDA HCF2 CVT Fluid to send in with 35000 mi and a 2/2 mix of Magnatec / EDGE with a filter change only and Lubegard Bio refill that I will send in hopefully soon.
 
Castrol Magnatec has 1 ppm moly but EDGE has 100 plus. Boron seems to be Magnatec's thing. Was thinking EDGE has higher TBN and might be a bit more eco as its A1 B1 where magnatec isnt.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: Marco620
Car calls for 0w20.


You think 0W-20 lubricates better than 5W-30 ?


It does during cold starts at the North or South pole!

Apart from the brass monkey factor, using an 0w20 rather than a 5w30 will result in a slightly faster warm up time. That will reduce top end engine wear figures if you do a lot of short tripping.

For most cars that are not used for heavy towing, based in a desert area or subject to very high OAT's,
there is nothing wrong with using a top of the range major brand (Mobil, Castrol, Shell/Penn, Valvoline or Liqui Moly) full synthetic 0w20. YEABUT, that is only true until the end of what I call the mid life period, which if I was to put a figure on it is 100K miles or 10 years, but is better defined by oil consumption. The OC should fall slightly during the extended run in period and then remain constant assuming the car is subject to the same type of use for a long period. Once is starts to increase above about a liter per 5K, per liter engine capacity I would think about checking the crank vent system and assuming that is good (It should be if you use a good oil changed often enough), move up to an 0w30 or even a high mileage oil.

Use the Castrol oil finder to check what they think is the best oil and Max OCI. If you want to cheap out Castrol GTX is normally cheaper than Mag. It seems to produce just as good UOA figures for short OCI's (The figures I looked at were for 5K miles).
 
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Merk won't be happy until you're using PYB 10w-30 minimum. 10w-40 if you want your car to last longer than warranty period. 2k OCI.

Jokes aside your car is still 'young' and will probably be fine even with the Magnatec.
 
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
Apart from the brass monkey factor, using an 0w20 rather than a 5w30 will result in a slightly faster warm up time.


Nope, the higher heat generation from internal shear will warm up faster with the thicker oil.

It's simple physics.

What makes you say otherwise ?
 
I'm not sure how slight we're talking here but it seems like after a few OCIs of 5w20 my car is slower to reach 'middle of the temp gauge' on 0w30
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
Apart from the brass monkey factor, using an 0w20 rather than a 5w30 will result in a slightly faster warm up time.


Nope, the higher heat generation from internal shear will warm up faster with the thicker oil.

It's simple physics.

What makes you say otherwise ?


It is more complicated than that. You are right about the friction heating, but a thinner oil will tend to circulate more quickly (therefore more often past the hot components).

A few years ago I did a study into the heat mapping of an engine using different viscosities and types of oil. I'm not talking about changing my oil on the drive and using the dashboard temperature gauge, I'm talking about a fully-instrumented engine in a vehicle in a climatic chamber using experimental design. Results were inconclusive. There are so many variables that it is difficult to isolate them all and to attribute any observed effect to a single one. This gets more complex with electronically-controlled thermostats, oil pumps, coolant pumps and so on, where the ECU is managing the heat.
 
weasley,
the complicator is that most of the oil's heat in most of the places that it passes is self generated due to the shearing effect...bearings and piston skirts are heated by the viscous shearing rather than carrying combustion heat away from them.

(ultimately, the heat of combustion IS what generates the heat, by being the motive power supply, but how it gets into the oil is another factor).

Pistons rings in particular, the residence time is whole seconds, so clearly it's heated laregely by crown temperatures. Squirters are mostly pressure/density with regard to their flow (except when the limits of pumpability are there, and they are dribblers)

But between two extremes, I still maintain that the lighter oil has less energy wastage (heat generation), which is what warm-up fuel economy and the uber high VIS that walk along side it are all about.
 
0w20 Edge is their top of the line oil and is better than Magnatec. Both are excellent. Edge contains what Magnatec does and then some.....
 
Both great oils. Magnatec 5W20 has shown to be very stout(and cheaper)as evidenced by a few UOA posted in that section where the vehicle was a Ford EcoBoost. I'm sure the 0w20 is no different. Don't get caught up in the viscosity war talk. It's a no win discussion.
 
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
These café games are making for VERY unreliable engines these days.


This is interesting. Are you meaning to say that CAFE standards have an end result of unreliable cars? I've heard 'shorter engine life' all over the place regarding anything under a 5w-30 but never that it would lead to reliability issues.
 
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
No new engine are fine with anything. These café games are making for VERY unreliable engines these days.

That magnetic SS is GOOD stuff.


Engines are lasting longer than ever. Outlasting the rest of the car in most cases.

A bad engine is a bad engine. Usually has little to due with lubrication.

I think the CAFE stuff is going too far though.
 
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: Marco620
Car calls for 0w20.


You think 0W-20 lubricates better than 5W-30 ?


It's a 2015. I'd guess it's still under warranty and calls for 0w20. I assume admins will be on Merkava for trolling like behavior? I was called out by admins for poking fun at people that think flow over filtration by OEM standards is bad. This seems similar being Merkava is poking fun at people who think following OEM standards is a good thing.

Also, in a Civic, I'd say use either with confidence for whatever the OLM or owner's manual says.
 
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