0W-20 vs 0W-30 - Can "I" use it?

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I searched before asking and found 500 posts containing 0W20 and 0W30. Forgive me for not wading through them all!

Both my vehicles (2003 Toyota Matrix 1.8l 2ZZ 58K and 2004 Toyota Tacoma 2.4L 38K) call for 5W30. I run a mix of GC Green and Gold in both of them now. For say, fuel mileage and "power" increase, can I safely run 0W-20 in these vehicles? I know both are still under power train warranty but I would like to keep the ideas outside the warranty "restrictions". Is a syn 0W-20 not "as good" or better than dino 5W-30? With GC becoming more and more rare (I'll be checking my local stores today), PP is looking better and better cost wise. And yes, I'm the guy who said he would never use PP.


The articles posted in another thread got me thinking about all of this. The information made sense. From what I have seen here, the 0W-20 has a lower cSt at 40c than a 5W-30 (for better start-up flow) but a lower cSt at 100C for a lower viscosity at operating temps (roughly 8.8 vs 10 to 12). Would the 1.2 cSt make that much of a difference? I mean the cSt varies that much among "grades". I do 5k OCI's on both vehicles. The Matrix is running an SR with a K&N cone filter and the Tacoma is a stock paper filter. Both currently use OEM oil filters (this will change when I deplete my stock). I doubt that info matters but it saves questions. The Matrix is my wife's daily driver and our family trip car. It usually sees around 100 miles a week. I don't "abuse" it when I drive it, but I do drive spirited when I have my hands on it. This car redlines at 8200 rpm and will see the limiter on occasion. The vehicle is equipped with the VVTi-L which alters the cam lobes above 6000 rpm for "lift" and better power. The engine uses oil pressure to activate the cam shift. The Tacoma is my daily driver which sees a mix of highway/city and 200+ miles a week.

Thanks in advance for the opinions.
 
You could order Amsoil ASL and be done with it. If you are not going by the recommended visc, why go by the interval either? ASL, 8-10K miles.

The allure of 20 weight oils don't offset the aggrevation of potential warranty issues IMO

I wouldn't obsess about start up flow in SC.
 
I would like to say don't worry and be happy. Use your 20 weight of choice ..but it's your engine. I'd still tell you to do it and just do a UOA for your normal length of service. One OCI isn't going to grenade your engine. Then you'll know.
 
0-30 is a near perfect oil for your vehicle. It has an added cold flow advantage, with no hot oil compromise in viscosity.
The difference is minor, not major.
 
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What's wrong with PP 5w30???




Absolutely nothing is wrong with PP. Before I read more on this site and got a little bit of an education, I said I would never use (or was not interested in using) PP. I was a Syntec guy before I found Mobil 1 before I found GC. I just scored some more Green GC and will stick with it for a while. I just wanted to know if I could use 0W-20 or 5W-20 safely.
 
Isn't Toyota recommending 5W-20 for the 1.8l vvt-i now? If so, are they back-specing it?

If it turns out that 5W-20 is OK, then 0W-20 should be fine, too.
 
With 5k OCIs, and the fact that you will being using a synthetic, feel free to use the 20wts.
With 5k OCIs, you don't need GC. Any brand of any synthetic 5w30 or 10w30 should work well. Most are thinner then GC so you'll get that MPG/HP bump.

A single UOA on both vehicles at 5k with 20wt oil will answer the question more accurately. My only issue is that hi rpm will beat an oil.
Spirited driving and VVTiL seem like an easy way to be shear an oil. KN gravel filters aren't all that great either.

I also don't remember Toyota back spec'ing anything. From what I remember, they updated 20wt's for 2006 and newer vehicles only.

Why not just use the PP 5w30? Its thinner then GC, its the correct bottle weight number, and has better Noack/HT/HS then the PP 20wts!

If you really want to use a 20wt, you should improve on engine or oil cooling. A oversized filter is an easy way to increase oil capacity and cooling. And, not that you have oil consumption issues, but with a 20wt, you'd want to keep the oil level fully top offed always.
 
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