'01 Ford Ranger 10250 & 77000 miles Redline 5w20

[TallPaul]

This is my 2001 Ford Ranger 2.3L DOHC engine:

Iron and copper levels may be explained by a few sessions of training someone to drive a stick where the
thing got some bad bucking action a few times. Also, I have done quite a few hard runs up to 6000 rpm.

But the disturbing thing is TBN level. What could have caused it to go so low?

I think 5000 mile recommendation is too conservative, but definitely not going 10,000 again. Also I don't
want to keep paying for these reports. Maybe 7500 miles?

 

[Artem]

weird how they suggest -5,000 miles with the TBN just 0.4 short of their TBN limit but would suggest +2,000 with 1.6 TBN left...

If you continue to use this oil i say 7,500 miles would be a good OCI.

 

[Pablo]

Does RL 5W-20 have that much Na?

 

[daves87rs]

I'd say 6500....

 

[OVERKILL]

No matter how many times people say Redline is an extended drain oil on here, the company themselves do no promote the product in such a manner and the UOA's support this. It is an excellent lubricant in terms of standing up to high heat conditions. But it is NOT an extended drain lubricant, so the TBN here isn't surprising in the least.

You want extended drain you go with AMSOIL or M1 EP.

 

[TallPaul]

Well, maybe I will try the Amsoil next time around.

Anyway, what makes TBN go down?

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Well, maybe I will try the Amsoil next time around.

Anyway, what makes TBN go down?


Acids. TBN = Total Base Number.

 

[Rand]

is this your first interval with redline?>

there is usually a major cleaning effect due to the ester content.

I would try a second run everything should tread down drastically.

 

[Brons2]

Put me in the 7500 mile camp. Also agree with poster above, iron may trend down on subsequent OCI. Get the TBN in order with a shorter run, then see where you're at with the iron.

 

[TallPaul]

Good point Rand. I refilled it with Redline, but will draw off a sample much sooner, say 6000 miles. I probably would have sampled sooner but didn't have the Fumoto in yet (had it but needed an adapter). Prior to this OCI it was owned by someone who went to Valvoline Instant Oil Change, or whatever it is called.

 

[Pablo]

Valvoline explains the Na.

 

[skyship]

Wrong type of oil, 5/20 is not listed for this engine, it should be a 5/30 for normal use or if the engine is towing a 5/40 or even an 0/40.
I might be a Brit, but the Germans at LM think this about the oil and OCI:
Engine

· Capacity : Capacity 3,8 liter

· Use : Normal
· Intervals : Change 6 months / 5000 miles
· Products : Top Tec 4600 5W-30
: Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
: Longtime High Tech 5W-30

· Use : Severe
· Intervals : Change 3000 miles / 3 months / 200 hours
· Products : Top Tec 4600 5W-30
: Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
: Longtime High Tech 5W-30

This engine has a small sump, so 10K miles might be OTT. In economic terms Castrol GTX 5/30 or similar conventional oil changed every 5K miles with an extended use oil filter changed every 10K miles. An expensive full synthetic might make 10K in one go, but I would do a UOA at 5 and 7.5K to cross check that idea.
Whatever you do, don't throw a can of oil additives in half way to 10K as it will just cause sludge if the oil can't handle the full OCI.

 

[TallPaul]

The manual and the cap on the oil fill hole both say to use 5w20. The sump holds 4.5 quarts. I don't see where it is the wrong oil. And by using Redline, the HTHS is that of a 30 weight anyway.

Oh, the Redline site specs about 9 cst for this oil and the report came back at 11. Some thickening?

Now for another question: If iron is 54 and copper 8 at 10,000 miles, is that the same as having two 5000-mile OCIs each with iron at 27 and copper at 4?

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: skyship
Wrong type of oil, 5/20 is not listed for this engine, it should be a 5/30 for normal use or if the engine is towing a 5/40 or even an 0/40.
I might be a Brit, but the Germans at LM think this about the oil and OCI:
Engine

· Capacity : Capacity 3,8 liter

· Use : Normal
· Intervals : Change 6 months / 5000 miles
· Products : Top Tec 4600 5W-30
: Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
: Longtime High Tech 5W-30

· Use : Severe
· Intervals : Change 3000 miles / 3 months / 200 hours
· Products : Top Tec 4600 5W-30
: Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
: Longtime High Tech 5W-30

This engine has a small sump, so 10K miles might be OTT. In economic terms Castrol GTX 5/30 or similar conventional oil changed every 5K miles with an extended use oil filter changed every 10K miles. An expensive full synthetic might make 10K in one go, but I would do a UOA at 5 and 7.5K to cross check that idea.
Whatever you do, don't throw a can of oil additives in half way to 10K as it will just cause sludge if the oil can't handle the full OCI.


Originally Posted By: TallPaul
The manual and the cap on the oil fill hole both say to use 5w20. The sump holds 4.5 quarts. I don't see where it is the wrong oil. And by using Redline, the HTHS is that of a 30 weight anyway.

Oh, the Redline site specs about 9 cst for this oil and the report came back at 11. Some thickening?

Now for another question: If iron is 54 and copper 8 at 10,000 miles, is that the same as having two 5000-mile OCIs each with iron at 27 and copper at 4?

Skyship I'm not sure where you get your oil recommendations but they are very different that what we get over here in the USA.

The truck is spec'd/back spec'd to run 5w-20.

And TallPaul, yes that is correct. The wear metals per mile is the same over those OCI.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
No matter how many times people say Redline is an extended drain oil on here, the company themselves do no promote the product in such a manner and the UOA's support this. It is an excellent lubricant in terms of standing up to high heat conditions. But it is NOT an extended drain lubricant, so the TBN here isn't surprising in the least.

You want extended drain you go with AMSOIL or M1 EP.


+1. Redline is not a great extended drain oil. UOA's are always iffy.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
No matter how many times people say Redline is an extended drain oil on here, the company themselves do no promote the product in such a manner and the UOA's support this. It is an excellent lubricant in terms of standing up to high heat conditions. But it is NOT an extended drain lubricant, so the TBN here isn't surprising in the least.

You want extended drain you go with AMSOIL or M1 EP.


+1. Redline is not a great extended drain oil. UOA's are always iffy.


It's designed as a performance oil, so why would you run it for extended periods anyway? It doesn't make sense to me at all. That's like using Amsoil SSO (now AZO) which is rated for up to 35,000 miles while going to the race track...

 

[TallPaul]

True, and Redline did recommend I UOA it much sooner. It was my own choice supported by lack of convenience (Fumoto not installed yet). The only real issue I see is the low TBN and that is not a big deal as long as I don't keep doing it, so next UOA will be much sooner, maybe 6000 miles, and I'll take it from there.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: Artem
Originally Posted By: buster
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
No matter how many times people say Redline is an extended drain oil on here, the company themselves do no promote the product in such a manner and the UOA's support this. It is an excellent lubricant in terms of standing up to high heat conditions. But it is NOT an extended drain lubricant, so the TBN here isn't surprising in the least.

You want extended drain you go with AMSOIL or M1 EP.


+1. Redline is not a great extended drain oil. UOA's are always iffy.


It's designed as a performance oil, so why would you run it for extended periods anyway? It doesn't make sense to me at all. That's like using Amsoil SSO (now AZO) which is rated for up to 35,000 miles while going to the race track...

It's a GREAT oil if you need an oil that can withstand crazy high temps and higher than API ZDP levels, but they also do market it as an extended drain oil. It's just not up to the task for that.

 

[skyship]

Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: skyship
Wrong type of oil, 5/20 is not listed for this engine, it should be a 5/30 for normal use or if the engine is towing a 5/40 or even an 0/40.
I might be a Brit, but the Germans at LM think this about the oil and OCI:
Engine

· Capacity : Capacity 3,8 liter

· Use : Normal
· Intervals : Change 6 months / 5000 miles
· Products : Top Tec 4600 5W-30
: Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
: Longtime High Tech 5W-30

· Use : Severe
· Intervals : Change 3000 miles / 3 months / 200 hours
· Products : Top Tec 4600 5W-30
: Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
: Longtime High Tech 5W-30

This engine has a small sump, so 10K miles might be OTT. In economic terms Castrol GTX 5/30 or similar conventional oil changed every 5K miles with an extended use oil filter changed every 10K miles. An expensive full synthetic might make 10K in one go, but I would do a UOA at 5 and 7.5K to cross check that idea.
Whatever you do, don't throw a can of oil additives in half way to 10K as it will just cause sludge if the oil can't handle the full OCI.

Originally Posted By: TallPaul
The manual and the cap on the oil fill hole both say to use 5w20. The sump holds 4.5 quarts. I don't see where it is the wrong oil. And by using Redline, the HTHS is that of a 30 weight anyway.
Oh, the Redline site specs about 9 cst for this oil and the report came back at 11. Some thickening?
Now for another question: If iron is 54 and copper 8 at 10,000 miles, is that the same as having two 5000-mile OCIs each with iron at 27 and copper at 4?

Skyship I'm not sure where you get your oil recommendations but they are very different that what we get over here in the USA.
The truck is spec'd/back spec'd to run 5w-20.
And TallPaul, yes that is correct. The wear metals per mile is the same over those OCI.


So the US marketing folks that are keen to change their corporate average fuel consumption figures have changed the original engineering report?? Not accepted by Liqui Moly due to lack of supporting test evidence, so they stick to original specs. This is not a new engine, so why try running a thinner oil than it was designed for? I think Castrol in the UK don't agree either.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: skyship
Wrong type of oil, 5/20 is not listed for this engine, it should be a 5/30 for normal use or if the engine is towing a 5/40 or even an 0/40.
I might be a Brit, but the Germans at LM think this about the oil and OCI:
Engine

· Capacity : Capacity 3,8 liter

· Use : Normal
· Intervals : Change 6 months / 5000 miles
· Products : Top Tec 4600 5W-30
: Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
: Longtime High Tech 5W-30

· Use : Severe
· Intervals : Change 3000 miles / 3 months / 200 hours
· Products : Top Tec 4600 5W-30
: Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
: Longtime High Tech 5W-30

This engine has a small sump, so 10K miles might be OTT. In economic terms Castrol GTX 5/30 or similar conventional oil changed every 5K miles with an extended use oil filter changed every 10K miles. An expensive full synthetic
might make 10K in one go, but I would do a UOA at 5 and 7.5K to cross check that idea.
Whatever you do, don't throw a can of oil additives in half way to 10K as it will just cause sludge if the oil can't handle the full OCI.



More of skyships bang on info.
Ford back spec'd these engines for 5w-20. In fact every engine they make except the Eco boost and the boss use a 5w-20.
Please sir. Look into the info you post before posting it. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
Op. For what that oil costs I wonder if a conventional would do as well for less money.