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Originally Posted By: AMC Originally Posted By: bubbatime I've always been a ballistics sponge. Reading, learning, and shooting gel blocks and pigs to see what works, what doesnt. The 5.7 didn't pan out. It's not a .22 Magnum, but you couldn't really tell the difference. Yes it can kill. Yes it...

Originally Posted By: billt460 Originally Posted By: Itonlysmokesalit They fly drones offshore to catch people keeping one grouper too many here in FL. It is becoming much like a runaway train with these game wardens. I can see stiff fines for going over the limit with fish. Or fishing and...

I would imagine the 5.7x28 is most useful in is original p90 configuration.

Roger, I'm just going to have to get one. I believe I was told the stoegers were still made on the original Beretta tooling.

Originally Posted By: billt460 Originally Posted By: totegoat .......... Be especially careful around Game Wardens. They have rights to search that other CA LE's don't. Game wardens have entirely too much power. It's to the point of ridiculousness for what their job is. They fly drones...

Agreed, they are past there limit regarding velocity. I'd love to know how much weight they retained.

Originally Posted By: Robenstein Well they seem to be very popular over in Europe with shooters in competitions, so I say that speaks to their accuracy, shootability, and durability. I just wonder how they do in harsh condition. I have a Beretta Cougar in 40 S&W and a PX4 in 9mm. So I like the...

Originally Posted By: billt460 Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter Still, it's CAPABLE! Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter "BUTT", they are still CAPABLE of being used for long distance. That's all I was trying to prove to you, Mr. Nay-Sayer. I guess it all comes down to what your...

^ Man those things are stretched to their limit. I have these laying around, its a small percent of what I've tested but very representative. Theres 90% 9mm in this batch, with some .223/5.56 and .300blk pulled from hogs and such.

To the contrary. Sarcasm aside I see no bullying just responsible, informed, gun owners impressing upon the op the reality of the situation. An interesting side note is how much bad advice comes out of the woodwork when discussions like this start.

Yeah I bought these from Houge for my old 586, pretty nice.

Originally Posted By: Robenstein Originally Posted By: Jetronic What's wrong with the Five-seveN for army use? It has the penetration power against body armor, but it relies on tumbling to create a proper wound, which means the longer the range, the less effective it will be as it loses...

Well this made my day, I've been away from bitog for a while and I've missed the party. Bill, Robenstein, and others have given you the information and resorces you need. I honestly can't believe there's still people out there who parrot the myth that birdshot is a good idea, and somehow defys...

Originally Posted By: surfstar Originally Posted By: Robenstein People who say they don't need a gun are people who have never had their lives held in the balance by unhinged perpetrators. Better to have one and never need to use it, than to not have one and need to use it once. 1) I was...

Originally Posted By: billt460 Originally Posted By: Al Originally Posted By: BeerCan Live in a safe area. My pistols are available but the clip needs to be inserted for them to be loaded. Some people will say that is stupid but I don't care. Yep.its stupid. But I do the same. I wish someone...

It is but as long as you don't care

Edit Originally Posted By: bubbatime Originally Posted By: Leo99 So you're going to get up at 3am, grab the pistol, go investigate and then head back for a different weapon? If my 11 rounds of .45 don't scare away or end the confrontation then that's where I bid you all goodbye. I keep my AR...

Originally Posted By: bubbatime Originally Posted By: Itonlysmokesalit posted all his great hardware This guy has some nice hardware. Short barrel rifle ($200 tax stamp) with suppressor (another $200 tax stamp) plus night vision. I am envious. I would love to have a suppressor and short barrel...

Wilson/AAC mutt in .300blk. Jager pro 3a NV scope, ir laser, specwar can, running 110gr Barnes tac-tx. DDm4v5 running one of dd's sbn barrels, nightforce nxs 1-4 fc2, surefire break, surfire 6px tactical, running mostly blackhills 50/62gr tsx, and have had good results with rem 62gr core-lokt...

This x100 little towns like mine get eaten from the inside out. The availability of drugs is the amazing thing, and I'd bet some small towns would give larger cities a run for there money on drug consumption.