VOA of 0W30 for customer "X"

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
One of the things I insist in any agreement is that the marketing claims do not go beyond the results of what lab and fleet testing has given us.

I wish this was an industry standard.

Alas, most marketers would have no job then.

Thanks, this is one case in which I get to redline and give technical feedback to Marketing. In most cases, the development group gets no final say in what goes into product brochures and general marketing.

 

[bluesubie]

Make a heavy 30 grade/light 40 grade Specialty Formulations version and I'm in!

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
SR5,
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/729134/Re:_Boron_Additives

has some great mola information (note Borax doesn't work).

Thanks mate, I missed that one.

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
What offsets the lower calcium?


Special secondary (ashless) detergent compounds.


If I may ask, what would the TBN be? I would guess about 7.5 for that 10k mile OCI.

BTW nice low Noack of 9.3%, very impressive. Looks like it's made on good quality base stock.

Hey, and thanks again for telling us all about it. It's very interesting.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
What offsets the lower calcium?


Special secondary (ashless) detergent compounds.


If I may ask, what would the TBN be? I would guess about 7.5 for that 10k mile OCI.

BTW nice low Noack of 9.3%, very impressive. Looks like it's made on good quality base stock.

Hey, and thanks again for telling us all about it. It's very interesting.


TBN is 10.8
HTHS is 3.3.

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: SR5
Originally Posted By: MolaKule


Special secondary (ashless) detergent compounds.


If I may ask, what would the TBN be?

BTW nice low Noack of 9.3%, very impressive.


TBN is 10.8
HTHS is 3.3.


WOW !!!
I so want this oil for my daily drive.

Congratulations on making such an excellent product.

 

[Virtus_Probi]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule

TBN is 10.8
HTHS is 3.3.


This oil looks better and better...high TBN is not a huge concern to me as I run fairly short OCIs on my turbo (Subaru is recommending 6kmiles for this engine now in normal service), but I sure don't mind a healthy result there. That HTHS makes me more comfortable than the 3.0-3.1 of the non-ESP M1 5W30s I have used.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: BigD1
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
What offsets the lower calcium?


Special secondary (ashless) detergent compounds.


Sulfated ash number?



ASTM D874 0.78%

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
HTHS is 3.3.

That HTHS makes me more comfortable than the 3.0-3.1 of the non-ESP M1 5W30s I have used.


I know !
To me a typical ILSAC 30 grade oil has a HTHS of 2.9 to 3.1 cP

In Oz we get an Edge 10W30 that is GF-5 and A5/B5 with a HTHS of 3.2 cP, which is the highest ILSAC oil I have seen. But to kick it up again to 3.3 cP is excellent. The Euro grade A3/B3/B4 oils start at 3.5 cP, so Mola's oil nicely sits between a typical ILSAC oil and a Euro A3 oil. That's a nice place to be.

Just FYI, Penrite 10-Tenths Racing 5W30 also has a HTHS of 3.3 cP, but it's loaded with zinc (1760 ppm) so not very exhaust cat friendly. Mola's 0W30 is the first 3.3 cP oil I have seen that would work well in most regular cars.

It's a perfect oil for most modern DI - Turbo cars in pretty much any climate.

 

[OPR4H]

Ca 1430, B 140, Mg 12.
TBN 10.8

How is the % of Borate Dispersant?

Why not Aminated dispersant, client don't like the smell?

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: OPR4H
Ca 1430, B 140, Mg 12.
TBN 10.8

How is the % of Borate Dispersant?

Why not Aminated dispersant, client don't like the smell?


Has nothing to do with smell and cannot disclose the dispersant level.


From the first post:
Quote:
Not seen of course is the dual anti-oxidant


Dual anti-oxidant contains aminic chemistries.

 

[SR5]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
cannot disclose the dispersant level

That is fair enough, you need to respect your customer's privacy.

You have already said
Originally Posted By: MolaKule

ZDDP is primary AW. Secondary AW's are polymer ester and boron. Not seen of course is the dual anti-oxidant, rust and corrosion inhibitors, and VII which is in a very low treatment level.

FM is a combination of a specific MoDTC and monoleates.

Dispersant is a Boronated dispersant.

Good for a 10k OCI in most daily drivers, and for those who wish to use a 0W30 in high mileage vehicles speced for XW20's


So it would definitely have enough dispersants for a 10k OCI.

I assume we are talking petrol (gas) here, and it's not a dual rated as a light duty diesel engine oil like a A5/B5 or A3/B4 is. If this is so, it makes sense to me, as most diesel engines use either a HDEO APi CJ-4 / CK-4 or a Euro ACEA C3 / C4 oil. Sounds sensible to focus on one particular, and strong, part of the local market. Assuming you did.