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#4297308 - 01/09/17 02:32 AM Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ?
ChrisD46 Offline


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As long as GM and Ford have been offering electronic oil life monitors you would think all vehicles would have them by now ? That is the one main pet peeve I have with my Hyundai / Kia vehicles . The best they can offer now is a "set your own maintenance" schedule via the electronic dash ... What gives ? Are OLM's really that difficult to design ?
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#4297312 - 01/09/17 03:16 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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With all the reports of carbon buildup and such in the DI engines, I wonder if a lesser, rigid interval could be best?

In regards to OLM technology, I think its hard to perfect. BMW until the mid-late 1990s used an algorithm of cold starts, mileage and engine RPM to determine the OCI. AFAIK, the system they changed to after that, a fuel usage + in-sump "electronic oil sensor" calculate the OCI these days.
My vehicle uses the older of the two. Despite changing from all highway driving to a mix of city and highway driving, the interval has actually gotten minutely longer, if anything (THREAD

I do not know what system GM and other OEs use, but have people noticed it varying the OCI significantly between constant short-tripping vs. highway miles?
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#4297329 - 01/09/17 05:24 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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You are correct, no OLM. And as long as H/K continues it's current engine powertrain warranty, I don't foresee it changing any time in the near future.

The 6 month max OCI/FCI and including most any kind of driving as severe service allows H/K to keep relatively frequent oil changes. Many times that would be with relatively (as compared to many other manufacturers) low miles per oci.

So, I don't believe it's about not being able to design and implement an OLM. It's about no desire or incentive to do so with the current warranty. I'd say it's the price one pays for that heavily promoted warranty.

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#4297346 - 01/09/17 06:20 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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I don't like nagging OLMs.
Rather not have any.

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#4297353 - 01/09/17 06:35 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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From a pure engineering perspective, programming an OLM is really straightforward with the amount of data that is generated during the development phases. However, engineering does not operate in a vacuum so when you bring marketing and other groups into the mix it can quickly become a mess.
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#4297355 - 01/09/17 06:42 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: AirgunSavant]
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Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
I don't like nagging OLMs.
Rather not have any.


I'm not against it. It'd be nice if it was programmable, though. One could program theirs to go off at 3k, 4k, 6.5k, or whatever OCI they decide to run. I know I prefer to do 5k or 10k OCI's on the basis that it's dirt simple to remember when to do it--just look at the odo's 1,000 mile digit. Otherwise I need to write it down and stick it on the windshield.
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#4297358 - 01/09/17 06:47 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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I wouldn't miss it. I like Supton's idea of making it programmable.
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#4297373 - 01/09/17 07:13 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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As long as they have miles/time countdown, that's ok with me. The Corolla's is also a generic countdown.
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#4297385 - 01/09/17 07:26 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: supton]
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Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
I don't like nagging OLMs.
Rather not have any.


I'm not against it. It'd be nice if it was programmable, though. One could program theirs to go off at 3k, 4k, 6.5k, or whatever OCI they decide to run. I know I prefer to do 5k or 10k OCI's on the basis that it's dirt simple to remember when to do it--just look at the odo's 1,000 mile digit. Otherwise I need to write it down and stick it on the windshield.

Counting miles isn't really an OLM though. It's just a dummy distance counter. To me, OLM should encompass some kind of logic, either based on an algorithm or on a physical sensor.
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#4297402 - 01/09/17 07:46 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: B320i]
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Originally Posted By: B320i
With all the reports of carbon buildup and such in the DI engines, I wonder if a lesser, rigid interval could be best?

In regards to OLM technology, I think its hard to perfect. BMW until the mid-late 1990s used an algorithm of cold starts, mileage and engine RPM to determine the OCI. AFAIK, the system they changed to after that, a fuel usage + in-sump "electronic oil sensor" calculate the OCI these days.
My vehicle uses the older of the two. Despite changing from all highway driving to a mix of city and highway driving, the interval has actually gotten minutely longer, if anything (THREAD

I do not know what system GM and other OEs use, but have people noticed it varying the OCI significantly between constant short-tripping vs. highway miles?


1 They probably don't want to bother with the $$ it would take to develop until they have to. H/K also aren't as big as the major OLM users (GM for example.) I would change it based on the manual and set you "service minders."
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#4297409 - 01/09/17 07:52 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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I doubt having a olm would convince or persuade anybody to buy that particular brand of car. And if people keep buying them as they are,I guess they don't see a need for one.,,,

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#4297430 - 01/09/17 08:13 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Hyundai would rather scare you in at 3000 miles for their [censored] dealer service with [censored] dealer oil.
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#4297587 - 01/09/17 10:49 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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GM and Ford??? Oh yeah!

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#4297649 - 01/09/17 12:04 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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My car has an OLM, it's called a trip meter.
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#4297733 - 01/09/17 01:19 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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I don't have one in my car, the manufacturer's suggested mileage interval works well for me.

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#4297915 - 01/09/17 04:36 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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I know this is blasphemy...but I have enough nannies ( electronic and otherwise ) in my life so the idea of an OLM doesn't matter if my life is set by calendar schedule and not if there's 5% or 15% of oil life left. It just creates an anal episode where I have to wonder if I can redo my calendar to get 10% more oil life out of it and eff up something else that's not foreseen on that day.

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#4298450 - 01/10/17 09:08 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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The santa fe sport has a maintenance required countdown. You can set it as to your preference.
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#4299013 - 01/10/17 06:47 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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I somewhat wish my DD Hyundai has a 2nd trip. I reset the 1st trip when filling the fuel tank. I would use the 2nd trip for oil changes. But not a big deal as I do 5k OCIs on the odo. I think if it had a OLM I probably wouldn't go by it.

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#4299418 - 01/11/17 09:28 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: supton]
The Critic Offline


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Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: AirgunSavant
I don't like nagging OLMs.
Rather not have any.


I'm not against it. It'd be nice if it was programmable, though. One could program theirs to go off at 3k, 4k, 6.5k, or whatever OCI they decide to run. I know I prefer to do 5k or 10k OCI's on the basis that it's dirt simple to remember when to do it--just look at the odo's 1,000 mile digit. Otherwise I need to write it down and stick it on the windshield.


Ford already has this feature available on their cars. I believe you can set the OLM interval to a percentage of the base number.
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#4319370 - 02/02/17 03:14 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Yup. And it's a shame.
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#4319531 - 02/02/17 06:40 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Toyota doesn't either. They just recommend a flat 10K OCI for most of their products.
I like having an IOLM. It takes the guesswork out of OCIs and thereby allows you to run a conservative interval with many variables considered.
A flat time or mileage interval will not make sense in many use patterns for any vehicle.
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#4319538 - 02/02/17 06:51 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Just count how many times you fill up the tank. About 20 tanks of gas should work out about right and similar to an OLM.

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#4319553 - 02/02/17 07:08 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
MaximaGuy Offline


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Loc: Austin, TX
I run flat 10k on my Lexus and 7.5K on Highlander. Who trusts these OLMs anyway. Didn't realize BMW designed the first ones, they should spend that development cost on good starters, power window motor designn etc. Companies like BMW that haven't gotten the.basics right shouldn't spend money on these useless monitors.
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#4319780 - 02/03/17 07:04 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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^^^What an opinion. Maybe they are useless to you but they save us thousands and give us nearly infinite engine life. Add to that we are not wasting oil by pouring it out early.

Loving the OLM here since our first one was introduced...
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#4319782 - 02/03/17 07:08 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Probably Hyundai or Kia figured that doing the OLM thing was a waste of time. Folks like me, with OLM's in their vehicles, don't pay any attention to it anyway except to reset it when they change the oil. Just one more stupid step to go thru on an oil change. And the OLM may be ok, generally, but is not always that good. Case in point, my 2006 Cadillac CTS 3.6. GM had to come back later and reprogram the OLM to knock the interval down to half of what it was coming from the factory after they realized that the original setup was causing too many engine failures. I doubt anyone in R&D was canned over that one.
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#4319785 - 02/03/17 07:12 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Hyundai has two vastly different oil change schedules for severe service versus standard.
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#4319804 - 02/03/17 07:52 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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The one in my Overland has an Algorithm , measures, cold starts, oil temp, mileage, Rpm etc

So far has worked out to about 10K distance, of course I have changed and reset it, I am the un-environmentalist changing the oil more frequently.

I really dont see adding these features as a big cost, the OEM's must have a pretty good idea of what is needed in the algorithm and I am sure they do it on the conservative side, plus I beleive Jeep wants the oil changed at least twice a year for severe service regardless of the miles driven.

If Hyundai doesnt include one, jsut shows how lazt their Engineering and Marketing people are.

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#4319901 - 02/03/17 09:59 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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The readership on BITOG is smart enough to know about proper oil change intervals.

OLM-s are for the general population and get the job done well.

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#4319943 - 02/03/17 10:39 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
Errtt Offline


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I have never had a vehicle with OLM and currently one of my 3 vehicles is a 2010 Hyundai. If it did have a OLM, I'd probably ignore it and continue doing my 5k OCIs with conventional (PYB 5w-30 & OEM filter).

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#4320254 - 02/03/17 04:13 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: JustinH]
fdcg27 Offline


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Originally Posted By: JustinH
Hyundai has two vastly different oil change schedules for severe service versus standard.



This is where an IOLM comes into play.
As long as a proper algorithm taking the correct variables into account is used, the guesswork in deciding what schedule to use in changing the oil is eliminated.
These systems can't be very costly either, since GM has had them for years on even its cheapest models.
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#4320386 - 02/03/17 07:11 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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With no mechanical issues and quality oil, an odometer and a calendar ( while erring conservatively ) will work just fine for people who neither care about OLMs or are worried about changing oil two weeks early over a 5-6 month period.

I know several folks who aren't "car people" but yet are scrupulous about changing oil and car maintenance. They certainly don't need to be BITOG members or delve into the engineering aspects of OLM programming to "get it right". At one point, someone on here described not caring about OLMs as an affront to the engineers who designed them...beyond hilarious.

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#4320407 - 02/03/17 07:34 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Wife's Scion has a "dumb" OLM, light comes on 5000 miles after reset (flashes on startup 500? miles before due). I wish I could just turn it off permanently. I do a 5000 mile OCI anyway, and easy enough to look at the odometer and know if it is time for a change. I may be going to a 10,000 mile interval in the future (I think the 2015 xB with the same engine is a 10,000 mile interval?)
On my mom's '07 Saturn Vue I have told her several times she can go by the IOLM. She is easy on oil (mostly highway). She still tends to go get it done every 5000 miles though. I should be doing her changes from now on though with syn oil and Fram Ultra filters by what the IOLM says.
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#4320466 - 02/03/17 08:55 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Still looking for the dust sensor that tells the OLM that I am driving a minimum 5 miles cumulatively of dusty gravel roads whenever I go to town and come home. Last I checked, that is considered severe service. No way for the OLM to monitor that variable. That is one of many reasons why the OLM is totally disregarded by me. They put all that time and R&D into how many times the vehicles starts, ambient temps, how much time does the engine spend at operating temps, etc, and forget basics like dirt.
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#4320622 - 02/04/17 04:34 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: JustinH
Hyundai has two vastly different oil change schedules for severe service versus standard.



This is where an IOLM comes into play.
As long as a proper algorithm taking the correct variables into account is used, the guesswork in deciding what schedule to use in changing the oil is eliminated.
These systems can't be very costly either, since GM has had them for years on even its cheapest models.


The data the OLM uses has been collected by the PCM for many years. All GM did was come up with the software to collate it into something meaningful.

Everything else is a guess, just pick some interval that validates your opinion and go with it.
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#4320642 - 02/04/17 06:08 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Oh, the humanity of it all without those life saving sensors!

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#4320675 - 02/04/17 07:36 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Every feature like this costs a manufacturer in engineering and material costs. This either adds to MSRP or eats into their profit margins. If consumers don't demand and I seriously don't think they consumers care about this vs Bluetooth connectivity for example why bother.

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#4320740 - 02/04/17 09:15 AM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: madRiver]
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Every feature like this costs a manufacturer in engineering and material costs. This either adds to MSRP or eats into their profit margins. If consumers don't demand and I seriously don't think they consumers care about this vs Bluetooth connectivity for example why bother.


Perfect! You can bet if it didn't help sales or profits it would be extremely unlikely to be in a high volume vehicle.

Don't quit the day job!
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#4321167 - 02/04/17 06:13 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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My take is a manufactures makes a vehicle that is darn reliable - we have been making auto for well over 100yrs.
Now does OLM magically allow folks to change oil based on OLM readings - no. Simply because we just cannot trust an OLM, we trust our gut instants and our gut instincts tells us go with a log - a sane log.

Having said that manufactures that give me a OLM and f...kup on a window motor or a starter which is most common on BMWs, they are no longer my choice of vehicle.
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#4321901 - 02/05/17 03:13 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: MaximaGuy]
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Not sure that either starter or window regulator failures are common with BMWs.
I have a 22 YO BMW in my sig and all four windows go up and down at the press of a switch using all original parts and the starter works great and it also came here on a ship installed in the car.
We have an even older BMW, an '84 733i and both the original starter and the original window lifts work fine as does the power sunroof. Let's not talk about the other electrics.
Anyway, I prefer an IOLM over my gut since it's bound to be a more accurate indicator of oil life either way. The OLM might sometimes call for a shorter interval than I would expect while it typically allows a longer interval than I would otherwise run.
Takes the guesswork out of it IOW.
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#4322533 - 02/06/17 12:11 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
DeafBrad Offline


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About why Kia doesn't have an oil life monitor... it really is hard to tell why they don't unless they say why. Anything else is speculation, but let me suggest another possibility that hasn't been mentioned: difference in culture.

We Americans tend to think people in other countries think like we do. That is not the case. It may be possible in their culture and way of thinking that an oil life monitor is not needed/important.
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#4322836 - 02/06/17 06:45 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: DeafBrad]
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I don't think that this has anything to do with culture.
Rather, it allows Kia/Hyundai to deny claims under a warranty that may be too generous for the product as designed and built.
They can always claim that if the owner had only followed the ridiculously short "severe service" OCI schedule, where this is basically defined as driving the car, then all would have been well.
An IOLM would do away with this loophole.
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#4323359 - 02/07/17 12:54 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: SteveSRT8]
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Every feature like this costs a manufacturer in engineering and material costs. This either adds to MSRP or eats into their profit margins. If consumers don't demand and I seriously don't think they consumers care about this vs Bluetooth connectivity for example why bother.


Perfect! You can bet if it didn't help sales or profits it would be extremely unlikely to be in a high volume vehicle.

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While I wouldn't say that OLMs are at the intersection of "anal" ( rhymes with "raynal" if it's censored ) and "consumerist", I would say that I seriously doubt that most of these features that don't approach the "techie want" persuasion like Bluetooth and a bigger touchscreen are particularly revenue positive. There are features that appear and disappear that likely impact that scale considerably more than OLMs ever would.

It's a nice feature but not one that the average consumer who either takes good care of the vehicle or doesn't would be particularly enamored with in the same way...I've got to feel the money is in the soon to be mandated back up cameras and various collision avoidance devices and not in sub-features like OLMs located in a car where the purchaser is still surprised they don't even have a temporary spare.

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#4326029 - 02/10/17 02:03 PM Re: Hyndai / Kia - Still No Oil Life Monitors ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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Loc: Virginia
My Sentra doesn't have one and I don't really mind one way or the other. I use the second trip odometer to monitor the OCI and change around 5k when it's due.
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