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#4294348 - 01/05/17 05:41 PM Re: paddle shifters [Re: BigD1]
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Registered: 04/27/12
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Originally Posted By: BigD1
Originally Posted By: MarcS
Originally Posted By: Leo99
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
I wouldn't pay extra for them OR a big red "START" button.


I agree about the paddle shifters. Don't see the point. There's no feel like an actual clutch.

But I love my push button start. I'm never going back to a key.


Agreed on the keyless ignition. I'm never going back to digging my keys out. I grab the door handle, the car opens, i push the button and it starts. It doesn't matter if they're in my pocket, gym bag or with me while passed out in the passenger seat while someone else drives. Also, since they're in my hand less, it has drastically reduced my tendency to misplace them.

Probably even better for women who leave their keys in their purse along with a million other items.


+1

Start button is awesome. I do have to hold the brake pedal down while pressing the button before my Lexus will start.


Have them on the Mercedes too. Keyless go is great, holding down the break pedal to start might be standard, have to do that on the Mercedes also. Mine also has paddle shifters, never use them. I think it was a gimmick that didn't really catch on, but they're still out there.

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#4294466 - 01/05/17 08:27 PM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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Wifey's explorer has them and I use them occasionally. Probably more so to downshift for engine braking.... but they would not exactly be missed if they were removed.
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#4294475 - 01/05/17 08:43 PM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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The only way I can stop my Altima from slowing down (down shifting) as I go down a hill with my foot off the gas is by using the paddle shifters. Sometimes I just want to coast. That is the only time that I use them.
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#4294482 - 01/05/17 08:50 PM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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Registered: 10/27/15
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I have never had them in a car I owned but I have driven a few rentals with paddle shifters. My take is they are slow and gimmicky. Anyone who really knows how to drive a manual knows that the true art and magic of manually selecting the gears lies in manipulating the clutch, not the gear selector.


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#4294483 - 01/05/17 08:50 PM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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I'm convinced basically nobody actually uses them smile

The only time when they'd be useful is in DCT's, which basically REQUIRE using paddles. This is a major reason why Ford's Focus and Fiesta DCT's are such a disaster--no paddles!

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#4294751 - 01/06/17 08:08 AM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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In the 4 years of ownership, I might have used them no more than half a dozen times. If you really want to override the default shifts, one can always manipulate the gas pedal to provoke a shift. Besides, paddle are essentially a "hint" to the car to change the gear and NOT a "command"!

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#4294755 - 01/06/17 08:15 AM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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I always considered them a marketing gimmick for itchy finger (enthusiast) driving, for those who miss driving a stick.

My dad, an automotive transmission expert with numerous patents, remarked on people who would play with their shifter during driving. Transmissions are designed to pick the optimal shift points. Just leave it in D and forget it. Selectors 2 and 1 are chiefly for downhill braking and maybe a few other rare situations.

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#4294795 - 01/06/17 09:05 AM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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Don't like them. For a shiftamatic or sequential, I prefer an up/down shift lever.
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#4294840 - 01/06/17 10:01 AM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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I only use it for engine braking or to prevent the tranny from gear hunting on the inclines, all other time it's in D mode.
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#4294846 - 01/06/17 10:09 AM Re: paddle shifters [Re: slacktide_bitog]
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Not many. I drove up to the hill country last week and thought I might dabble with them - but there were really no hills the ecoboost even noticed. Had to laugh thinking back to being 18 and driving those hills in a screaming VW beetle ...
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#4294876 - 01/06/17 10:48 AM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Kestas]
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Registered: 03/09/16
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Originally Posted By: Kestas
I always considered them a marketing gimmick for itchy finger (enthusiast) driving, for those who miss driving a stick.

My dad, an automotive transmission expert with numerous patents, remarked on people who would play with their shifter during driving. Transmissions are designed to pick the optimal shift points. Just leave it in D and forget it. Selectors 2 and 1 are chiefly for downhill braking and maybe a few other rare situations.


To be fair, lately "optimal" and "most fuel efficient" are the same thing. Nog optimal for the conditions or driver feel/experience. Not arguing that auto tarns programming isn't there for a reason, and not doing what its designed to do, but its obvious on many models that just sticking it in D can sometimes feel pretty terrible when motoring along. My Jeep for instance will basically lug itself around 50ish mpg. Which is fine, but it will then shift down way more often. with the select shift jazz I can manually shift it into 4th gear, leaving it at an RPM where its much happier.

In most auto trans with them I wouldn't pretend its a manual at all, but the ability to select a gear sometimes really does improve the feel of the car depending on conditions.
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#4295036 - 01/06/17 02:04 PM Re: paddle shifters [Re: HemiHawk]
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Originally Posted By: HemiHawk
Originally Posted By: Kestas
I always considered them a marketing gimmick for itchy finger (enthusiast) driving, for those who miss driving a stick.

My dad, an automotive transmission expert with numerous patents, remarked on people who would play with their shifter during driving. Transmissions are designed to pick the optimal shift points. Just leave it in D and forget it. Selectors 2 and 1 are chiefly for downhill braking and maybe a few other rare situations.


To be fair, lately "optimal" and "most fuel efficient" are the same thing. Nog optimal for the conditions or driver feel/experience. Not arguing that auto tarns programming isn't there for a reason, and not doing what its designed to do, but its obvious on many models that just sticking it in D can sometimes feel pretty terrible when motoring along. My Jeep for instance will basically lug itself around 50ish mpg. Which is fine, but it will then shift down way more often. with the select shift jazz I can manually shift it into 4th gear, leaving it at an RPM where its much happier.

In most auto trans with them I wouldn't pretend its a manual at all, but the ability to select a gear sometimes really does improve the feel of the car depending on conditions.


Then my Tundra had programming by monkeys--I don't see how it's fuel efficient to unlock the convertor and use slippage in high gear while hill climbing. That's exactly what it will do: unlock the convertor first and stay in sixth. Many many times I have clicked down a gear, heard the convertor lock up, and had lower engine rpm. Biggest complaint I have about the truck, really.

Most of the time I want the same operation as a good manual: when I let off the gas I want the vehicle to coast in gear. No rpm jumps. My Camry is horrible at this--it unlocks and drops rpm on coasting. Always. The Tundra will stay locked during coast, but if I am too fast on the throttle it will unlock. For no good reason. I've adjusted; the Camry I will basically never fully lift off, and the Tundra I know not to be too aggressive on the throttle.

Neither has "paddle" shifters but basically I can select the topmost gear it can shift up into. And both get used heavily by me, as often I don't see a reason to shift into a too-high gear when I know it'll need to downshift again in 50 yards. The first 2-3 gears it's not so bad with, but it's the upper gears which often need locking out.
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#4295195 - 01/06/17 06:09 PM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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One pet peeve of mine is the lockup torque converter on my car engages and disengages numerous times every mile when driving on the freeway. I'm not a spastic driver.

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#4295244 - 01/06/17 07:11 PM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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Registered: 04/20/14
Posts: 970
Loc: South Central PA
I have the paddle shifters on the Camry; I think I've used them once. I typically just use the manual selector for going up and down the mountain. 2 out of the 4 vehicles in the fleet are traditional manuals, so using the console shifter feels more natural to me.
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#4297372 - 01/09/17 07:11 AM Re: paddle shifters [Re: Joe1]
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Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 6766
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
Drove a rental 2016 Corvette with automatic and paddle shifters. While the magazines all claim the new 8 speed transmission shifts like lighting, I found that using the paddle shifters still resulted in quite a delay from the time I selected a gear, to the time it shifted. I also found that I mistakenly asked for a shift that it could not achieve, such as redline in 2nd, then downshift to 1st, Or, redline in 2nd for too long, then pull the shifter, at which point the delay was there, that was just my stupidity. It would be better if the shifts were instantly responsive. Otherwise, I found it far easier and more effective to simply leave it in "track" mode and let the auto do it's thing.

I think the auto starts the shift process before the engine hits redline, and therefore shifts on time, at redline. When done manually, I had to pull the paddle shifter 500 or more RPM BEFORE I wanted it to shift.
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